Hashtags do not replace groups.
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Hashtags do not replace groups.
No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.
Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag
@[email protected]than#pcgaming.This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.
@atomicpoet
Also it whould be neat to somehow see from the handle itself if it's a group or not. It's the case with the classic å.gup.pe, but I can't derive that from lemmy.ca without having to look it up.
I also find it father difficult to find groups, because the default ActivityPub-Search doesn't work that way and groups are just special users.
That's why I like a.gup.pe, it sounds a bit like Gruppe in german. Which doesn't help internationally, something like gro.up oder a subdomain including group whould be helpful and make the seqrch for groups easier, because then it's part of the name.
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I have heard of the opposite. Mastodon users can see and comment on lemmy posts, but i have yet to discover how to view mastodon post from lemmy.
If it is indeed possible can you or anyone elaborate how to?
The post you're commenting on was made on a selfhosted instance of akkoma.social, so federation across softwares definitely works.
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@atomicpoet
Also it whould be neat to somehow see from the handle itself if it's a group or not. It's the case with the classic å.gup.pe, but I can't derive that from lemmy.ca without having to look it up.
I also find it father difficult to find groups, because the default ActivityPub-Search doesn't work that way and groups are just special users.
That's why I like a.gup.pe, it sounds a bit like Gruppe in german. Which doesn't help internationally, something like gro.up oder a subdomain including group whould be helpful and make the seqrch for groups easier, because then it's part of the name.
@fediverse @crossgolf_rebel@alsternerd @atomicpoet @fediverse @crossgolf_rebel would be nice if the [email protected] reference becomes an ActivityPub standard
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No one said you can't. They said they make sense in their own contexts. The interface is different. Plus I don't need my inbox blown up with notifications from a dozen Mastodon users tagging me unnecessarily.
No, what was said was that “Groups are Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon”.
That is to say that Groups are not for Mastodon, so Mastodon users should be content with hashtags.
But Mastodon users use Lemmy groups from Mastodon, and better group integration is already being planned by Mastodon themselves.
Ergo, groups are for Mastodon.
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Hashtags do not replace groups.
No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.
Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag
@[email protected]than#pcgaming.This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.
+1, I absolutely loathe the twitter model of discussion because it's a huge mess of out of order replies and random spam. Individual discussion posts with tree threaded comments are way, way, way more effective at keeping discussion relevant and directed. Also +1 re: moderation, social media functions best with effective, vigorous, moderation and the twitter model just sucks there.
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@alsternerd @atomicpoet @fediverse @crossgolf_rebel would be nice if the [email protected] reference becomes an ActivityPub standard
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Hashtags do not replace groups.
No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.
Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag
@[email protected]than#pcgaming.This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.
@atomicpoet @fediverse Wait.. is *that* how it works to follow a lemmy .. whatever the equivalent is of a subreddit .. group? anyway, you just follow @groupname@instancename? How did I not understand this before?
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
I think this is also more of a comprehension problem in the Fediverse or the mastodons that are closing themselves off
If you always think a little outside the box, then #lemmy is already a term.
That's what happens when you shorten communication about the Fediverse to ‘mastodon only’, it excludes so much that would help -
No, what was said was that “Groups are Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon”.
That is to say that Groups are not for Mastodon, so Mastodon users should be content with hashtags.
But Mastodon users use Lemmy groups from Mastodon, and better group integration is already being planned by Mastodon themselves.
Ergo, groups are for Mastodon.
No, what was said was that “Groups are Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon”.
...no what? You didn't contradict what I said. There was no "can't" in that statement.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
I think this is also more of a comprehension problem in the Fediverse or the mastodons that are closing themselves off
If you always think a little outside the box, then #lemmy is already a term.
That's what happens when you shorten communication about the Fediverse to ‘mastodon only’, it excludes so much that would help@crossgolf_rebel @atomicpoet @fediverse @mapto For me Lemmy is just Reddit build on top of activitypub and just feels like that, while using it with Thunder on Android or even the webinterface given. -
@crossgolf_rebel @atomicpoet @fediverse @mapto For me Lemmy is just Reddit build on top of activitypub and just feels like that, while using it with Thunder on Android or even the webinterface given.
@[email protected] It's also a question of how you use and deploy it yourself
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I’m an instance owner too (see my atomicpoet.org and akkomane.social). Speaking as an instance owner, it’s our fundamental job to moderate.
It’s not “throwing the onus onto someone else.” The onus has always been on us.@atomicpoet @BenDoubleU I feel it's worth pointing out in this context that from the perspective of a Masto server, this thread features several accounts with no avi, bio, follows or followers. I assume they're the Lemmy accounts?
As a Twitter vet I've developed an aversion to engaging *at all* with newly-created accounts lacking properly fleshed-out profiles!
But it's still cool there's these options. Perhaps the integration will improve?
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@[email protected] @[email protected] The best way to explain #Pixelfed is that it’s an Instagram-like front-end for the Fediverse. But practically speaking, it’s Mastodon if pictures were a requirement on Mastodon. You interact with a Pixelfed account from Mastodon in much the same way you interact with another Mastodon account, or how you’re interacting with my Akkoma account right now. It really is just like email.
Regarding group topics, the best way to find them is to do a search on a place like lemmy.world or lemmy.ca. For example,
[email protected]is one. And you can find the URL here:@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool I think you're missing the point - it's not "what is PF/Masto/whatever", it's "how do they relate to each other, exactly, in a way I can understand & benefit from?" I've been in fedi for a few years & have, in fact, been asking the stupid questions, but I still don't quite understand either...
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@atomicpoet @BenDoubleU I feel it's worth pointing out in this context that from the perspective of a Masto server, this thread features several accounts with no avi, bio, follows or followers. I assume they're the Lemmy accounts?
As a Twitter vet I've developed an aversion to engaging *at all* with newly-created accounts lacking properly fleshed-out profiles!
But it's still cool there's these options. Perhaps the integration will improve?
Having a Mastodon account means creating new habits. One of them is to check the originating server of an account. This is because that account may not be using Mastodon.
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@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool I think you're missing the point - it's not "what is PF/Masto/whatever", it's "how do they relate to each other, exactly, in a way I can understand & benefit from?" I've been in fedi for a few years & have, in fact, been asking the stupid questions, but I still don't quite understand either...
@jwcph @fediverse @Coolmccool The best way to understand the Fediverse is not as a collection of servers but instead as actors that implement activities.
You are an actor. A Lemmy community is an actor. A bot is an actor. An app is an actor.
All these things do activities. One activity is to like a post. Another activity is to repost.
And all these apps like Mastodon are just presenting these actors/activities in a certain format.
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@atomicpoet @fediverse Wait.. is *that* how it works to follow a lemmy .. whatever the equivalent is of a subreddit .. group? anyway, you just follow @groupname@instancename? How did I not understand this before?
@LibertyForward1 @fediverse Not only can you follow, you can post to a Lemmy community from Mastodon by mentioning the Lemmy community. In fact, you just mentioned a Lemmy community, so you’re using Lemmy right now—but from you’re perspective, it looks like Mastodon. -
I follow topics and have discussions on Lemmy, keep up with individuals and announcements on Mastodon, and look at cool photos on Pixelfed.
None of my accounts are following anything on other systems.The reason I'm in this community is for discussions like this. We disagree on the nature of using he fundamental architecture of the Fediverse.
I think using Mastodon to engage in Lemmy discussions is extremely awkward without the threading to keep it all organized. Equally, Lemmy is designed specifically around following communities. Following individuals on Mastodon breaks the pattern of the feed. And good luck following either Mastodon accounts or Lemmy groups in Pixelfed.However, having multiple decentralized servers within each system, is plenty of reason for the Fediverse to be better than a centralized platform.
@Steve @shnizmuffin I follow one Lemmy community through my Mastodon account because it is mainly a casual chatty daily thread group. It +is+ weird, and not ideal as it doesn't show images for some reason, but I still kindof like that way of reading. I've got a separate Lemmy account for a bunch of Lemmy communities, and that works better generally. But I do like that they interoperate to some degree.
I also follow a bunch of hashtags and like them too. I find it all brilliant tbh, and love that it exists and isn't controlled by fucking billionaires.
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@LibertyForward1 @fediverse Not only can you follow, you can post to a Lemmy community from Mastodon by mentioning the Lemmy community. In fact, you just mentioned a Lemmy community, so you’re using Lemmy right now—but from you’re perspective, it looks like Mastodon.
@atomicpoet @fediverse trippy
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@atomicpoet @BenDoubleU I feel it's worth pointing out in this context that from the perspective of a Masto server, this thread features several accounts with no avi, bio, follows or followers. I assume they're the Lemmy accounts?
As a Twitter vet I've developed an aversion to engaging *at all* with newly-created accounts lacking properly fleshed-out profiles!
But it's still cool there's these options. Perhaps the integration will improve?
@ApostateEnglishman But you're not a Twitter user anymore, so maybe it's time to let that go. You're part of something much bigger than Twitter-style micro-blogging. Lemmy users will usually have profiles -- although not typically as extensive as Mastodon users -- but following users or being followed doesn't make any sense on Lemmy. The primary unit is the community (group) not the user. -
@jwcph @fediverse @Coolmccool The best way to understand the Fediverse is not as a collection of servers but instead as actors that implement activities.
You are an actor. A Lemmy community is an actor. A bot is an actor. An app is an actor.
All these things do activities. One activity is to like a post. Another activity is to repost.
And all these apps like Mastodon are just presenting these actors/activities in a certain format.
Hope that explains things.@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool It doesn't, not even close. It's way too abstract, even for me - I absoutely guarantee you, nobody looking for an alternative to keeping up with friends on Insta or Facebook will be able to connect what you just said to that need / desire, let alone make a decision based on it.
