Too soon?
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Your prose comes across as deliberately nice and tolerant, but that only highlights how shaky your stance is. You frame "tolerance" as though it excuses supporting Charlie Kirk. It doesn't. Using tolerance to shield a bigot and a racist is not a virtue, it's complicity.
Opposing Kirk's rhetoric isn't hatred. It's simply refusing to let prejudice masquerade as principle.
Also, to be clear I never ment that charlie Kirk ever admitted or had someone committed to a facility. But he is on record saying that homeless people and transgenders should all be committed to mental health facilities.
@mechoman444 If he is "on record" with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My "prose" is just the way I speak. I don't care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk's commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
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@mechoman444 If he is "on record" with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My "prose" is just the way I speak. I don't care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk's commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
@luyapapi If you come to this conclusion, you have to be very close to the Nazis.
Charlie Kirks ideology was way more hateful and anti-human.
You are a thinly veiled troll. #truth
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@luyapapi If you come to this conclusion, you have to be very close to the Nazis.
Charlie Kirks ideology was way more hateful and anti-human.
You are a thinly veiled troll. #truth
Your faked civility in writing would be something to compliment, but we live in the age of chatbots, so it's questionable if these skills are yours.@DerGiga @mechoman444 If you people understood how silly it sounded to competent people for you to compare someone like Charlie Kirk to the Nazi regime...It would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing. What you don't understand is that your hyperbole undermines your position.
You are trying so hard to vilify people that you go to the furthest extreme of inhumanity instead of comparing them to less evil people. It is such a jump that it makes me laugh. You would be more effective with less.
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Can't tell if joke
Its a joke, mocking the bluanon belief that Trump staged his own assassination attempt.
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@surph_ninja You can label me and anybody else whatever you want. When you don't provide any justification for your slander other than anecdotes and regurgitation of propaganda...
Nevermind, this conversation thread is boring me now. I might as well be talking to my toaster oven. God bless. #uncivildiscourse #timewasted #propaganda #Godhelpus
I haven’t. You labeled yourself a white supremacist by association.
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I haven’t. You labeled yourself a white supremacist by association.
@surph_ninja The reality is that I love you as a human and an image-bearer of the Creator, God. I don't know you, but I know who made you. You and I are both imperfect people in a fallen world. Genesis 1:27-28 says God made us in His image. He made us male and female. Two distinct sexes. Two legitimate genders.
Romans 1:27 and verses in Leviticus speak to the abomination of homosexuality.
Because I believe the Bible I speak against these sinful acts...Not due to hate. Love != approval. #truth
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@mechoman444 If he is "on record" with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My "prose" is just the way I speak. I don't care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk's commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
I'm not here to hand you evidence or play research assistant. I'm responding because your own tone was condescending and I'm not going to let it stand unchallenged.
Charlie Kirk was a bigot and a racist. That is not an opinion but a matter of record. His rhetoric makes it obvious and your defense of him makes your position clear.
If you think I was calling you tolerant or care if you are tolerant or not you completely miss the point of what I was trying to say.
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I'm not here to hand you evidence or play research assistant. I'm responding because your own tone was condescending and I'm not going to let it stand unchallenged.
Charlie Kirk was a bigot and a racist. That is not an opinion but a matter of record. His rhetoric makes it obvious and your defense of him makes your position clear.
If you think I was calling you tolerant or care if you are tolerant or not you completely miss the point of what I was trying to say.
@mechoman444 I'm not looking for a research assistant. It just seems fair that you provide evidence for claims against someone's character. Shows that you have none. Go figure.
You call anyone whatever names you like. It doesn't make them true, even if many voices agree with you. I am glad my position is clear. In case it isn't, I am stating that you are in fact, the very things you claim Charlie to have been.
And again, I couldn't care less what you think of me. It's been lovely talking to u
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@DerGiga @mechoman444 If you people understood how silly it sounded to competent people for you to compare someone like Charlie Kirk to the Nazi regime...It would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing. What you don't understand is that your hyperbole undermines your position.
You are trying so hard to vilify people that you go to the furthest extreme of inhumanity instead of comparing them to less evil people. It is such a jump that it makes me laugh. You would be more effective with less.
I'm assuming you're the competent one.
Believe it or not it's really hard to get people to compare another person to a Nazi you really have to jump some hurdles to do that.
For example Thomas Midgley, Jr. (Look him up) Is probably one of the worst human beings ever produced by our species and yet nobody really compares him to Nazis.
On the other hand there is nothing more universally compared to Nazis than our current sitting president his rhetoric and the people that support him including your boy Charlie.
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I'm assuming you're the competent one.
Believe it or not it's really hard to get people to compare another person to a Nazi you really have to jump some hurdles to do that.
For example Thomas Midgley, Jr. (Look him up) Is probably one of the worst human beings ever produced by our species and yet nobody really compares him to Nazis.
On the other hand there is nothing more universally compared to Nazis than our current sitting president his rhetoric and the people that support him including your boy Charlie.
@mechoman444 I'd like to think we are both competent. You are just blinded by your hatred and bigotry against conservatives. But I guess it is acceptable when it happens on your side.
Liberals jump to the "Nazi" term very quickly. You are just mistaken about that.
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@mechoman444 I'm not looking for a research assistant. It just seems fair that you provide evidence for claims against someone's character. Shows that you have none. Go figure.
You call anyone whatever names you like. It doesn't make them true, even if many voices agree with you. I am glad my position is clear. In case it isn't, I am stating that you are in fact, the very things you claim Charlie to have been.
And again, I couldn't care less what you think of me. It's been lovely talking to u
You've got to be a bot. Seriously.
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You've got to be a bot. Seriously.
@mechoman444 My friend, I have become insanely bored with this conversation. Neither of us will be convinced that the other is not an idiot, so I'm out. This has been a colossal waste of 1's and 0's, my friend. Best wishes and so long.
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All of you make me sick the left is just as toxic #provemewrong
So, you’re saying that conservatives are toxic?
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Nah empathy is for the weak.
This is the full context of the quote for anyone curious like I was.
TLDW is that he follows saying he prefers sympathy over empathy
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Not caring isn't really embracing it though, is it?
No it isn't. You being not caring is perfectly fine, but the OC was wasn't being apathetic to the situation, they were embracing it.
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Pick any single episode he published.
So you can't cite a specific example? Nobody is disagreeing that Kirk had vile views, but you made a very specific claim that I want verification for. Give me something, anything that directly shows Kirk actually did this:
He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally
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I'm curious about the math behind his equation.
How many times the second amendement has been used? I mean, actually used.
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I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I'm not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question... When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
I take issue with your question because it conflates two completely separate things as the same. There's a very difference between a "system" and an "individual", especially when that person is a private citizen. Ideally, political violence should be a line that's never crossed, however, we don't live in an ideal world. If people are tired of the system they live under, and they have no meaningful way of getting change then violence might be inevitable. However, in these cases people go after the system itself. That means the actual institutions that keep the system in place. Want an example? Look at what's happening right now in Nepal.
What you don't do to fight a system is shoot a private citizen over their political views. That's not meaningful resistance, that's just violence. It doesn't do anything or change anything, all it does is help establish a dangerous precedent where violence becomes an acceptable part of political discourse. Don't like someone's political views? Shoot them, they probably deserved it anyway... at least that's what people here are saying to justify it, but what these don't understand is that it's a two way street. Just as you cheer and condone political violence, others can as well, including the people you don't like. You can't condemn people you don't like for doing it but then cheer for the same actions when the people you like do it, because you'll just be a hypocrite and your words will hold no weight. It's not a defensible position.
It should be noted that for any principle to mean anything, it is absolutely mandatory for it to be applied fairly and universally. If we want to remain a society that values civil liberties, then those have to extend to everyone, including those who you don't like don't or don't agree with, and this includes people with vile views. When a system becomes a dysfunctional mess, it means that it has deviated significantly from it's founding principles, and a new system needs to take it's place to embody them. However, if the people no longer believe in civil liberties for all, then we're looking at a very grim future because we would have tyranny's pandora's box.
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Trump is a figurehead. Project 2025 was/is a massive plan that took years to lay out.
Do not delude yourself into thinking the Republican party is a cabal of idiots.I disagree, the Republicans ARE a cabal of idiots. The people who own them and run the party in the shadows, however, are not.
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He debated college kids. Do better.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You could just Google his comments or listen to his podcasts he promoted violence.
Charles Kirk, the recently killed hard-right Christian nationalist, had been "repeatedly making references to physically assaulting and even lynching trans people on his podcast, the Charlie Kirk Show".
Sometimes he targeted his violence specifically against trans. Other times, he incited violence more broadly against LGBTQ along with other minority groups.
He was using Christianity as a shield, he was a fake Christian
