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Right now it's a bit of a mixed bag but once they're a more established news source they'll 100% go all in with the grifting. That's the most predictable thing about this publisher.

[freeman@sh.itjust.works]

Neoliberalism is a right wing ideology, not center-left.

[jasn_de@feddit.org]

Christian democrats? Why is Politico for cutting welfare then?

Because they are part of the Springer imperium. Which Is about as far right as you can get without supporting the far right too obviously.

[obelix@feddit.org]

You might want to read a little bit about Axel Springer - they've bought Politico a while ago and I'm not reading it, because it is owned by them. Might be that they haven't been gutted totally, but I know what they are putting out here in Germany and how they are meddeling in german politics. The recent elections really saw hardcore anti-migrant headlines from them.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Why do you assume I don’t know this? Can’t neoliberals be evil? I thought it was default.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Every neoliberal supports far right because the goal of neoliberalism is inequality which always leads to fascism.

[cyberegg@discuss.tchncs.de]

What kind of right wing? Christian democrats?

Neoliberalism.

Why is Politico for cutting welfare then?

Because part of neoliberalism is to weaken welfare so that people are pressured into accepting exploitative labour conditions.

Wait, do you think chistian democrats are pro welfare? Do you think, neoliberalism is a left leaning ideology?

Stop oversimplifying things please.

I might be wrong but your comment reads as if you think a political opinion automatically aligns with political parties (which would be massively oversimplifying the process of opinion making and political procedure).

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Neoliberalism is neither left nor right although by nature it can only lead to far right rule. Centrist parties pretend to have balanced ideas because it allows them to push inhumane policies that benefit the most wealthy. Aka neoliberalism.

[freeman@sh.itjust.works]

Neoliberalism is a pro capitalism, free markets and deregulation ideology. That makes it inherently right wing.

Do you have to be an ancap to be considered right wing in your viewpoint?

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

I’m fairly sure you won’t dispute that Christian democracy is a right wing ideology. What commonalities to neoliberalism do you see between both? You probably won’t find much so it makes little sense to group them together as „right wing”. I’m beating the drum here again so that people wake up and recognise who the centrists really are.

I’m not a conservative by any means but I don’t mind true right wing ideology. It can be a compassionate philosophy that focuses on common good. True right wing is very rare these days because they were replaced by populists who can’t be even categorised as conservatives. They’re just bullies. Liberals are bullies very often too.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Isn’t Christian Democracy inherently right wing too? How do you reconcile that?

[cows_are_underrated@feddit.org]

Axel Springer isn't centrist. They are openly right wing and call out progressive positions as "woke bullshit" and stuff like that. They openly say that they are right wing.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

You can be a neoliberal and against wokeness. Neoliberalism is about money. You don’t need to accept their label, they are using it because it serves their needs at the moment. Look at what they do rather what they say.

One day people will connect dots between „centrism” and far-right, it’ll be too late then based on what I’m seeing here though

[freeman@sh.itjust.works]

What is there to reconcile?

They are not part of the left. They are more moderate than neoliberals since they do (in theory) believe that capitalism must be at least somewhat regulated unlike neo liberals.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Political views are more than a single axis. Not being left doesn’t right, especially today when we have politician businessmen who don’t even have to concern themselves with ideologies.

[cyberegg@discuss.tchncs.de]

Do you know the general difference between progressive and conservative or "left" and "right" wing policies? Both see differences in people most of which are innate. Progressivism (left wing) generally aims to level the playing field so that these differences do not affect your chances to be a member of society and live the life you want. Conservativism (right wing) infers hierarchies due to said differences and aims to build a society based on those hierarchies. Religious groups (like christian democrats) work with their religion, often arguing with "god's plan" or divine punishment, neoliberalism works with money and hustle culture.

true right wing ideology. It can be a compassionate philosophy that focuses on common good

No, it doesn't. It's the opposite of that.

[freeman@sh.itjust.works]

Even in those systems the positions on capitalism are on the horizontal, left to right axis. Because when talking about politics left and right are used to describe positions on capitalism.

Neoliberalism is a pro capitalism ideology therefore it's a right wing ideology.

That people may not hold political ideologies is irrelevant to neoliberalism being a right Wong ideology. Its also not a new phenomenon by any means.

[fundmecfsresearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Agreed. But it’s one of the more harmless sources people often share here. People share right wing billionaire owned sources all the time. It really ticks me off.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

So now we have one axis, progressivism. You can have a progressive right wing (Tories legalised gay marriage arguing it’s for families), progressive neoliberals (Democratic party) and progressive left (like Zapatero in Spain). How do we differentiate between them? Their attitude towards wealth inequality, authoritarianism etc. That’s why liberals are distinct from left or right, there’s as much difference between a liberal and a conservative as between a liberal and a leftist, but those are differences on other axis.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

See my other comment for reply to this. This is much more complex and this oversimplified view is a big factor in why politics are so bad now.