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Tesla Is Allegedly Withholding Wages Of German Employees On Sick Leave

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    I read a German article a few days ago. They definitely threatened to withhold wages. They also pressured workers into disclosing their health info. Via email.

    The Unions are (orders of magnitude) more active than in other comparable workplaces.

    Oh and of course TESLA does not like people being in unions in the first place.

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      I read a German article a few days ago. They definitely threatened to withhold wages. They also pressured workers into disclosing their health info. Via email.

      The Unions are (orders of magnitude) more active than in other comparable workplaces.

      Oh and of course TESLA does not like people being in unions in the first place.

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      Sounds like a suit for the strong German unions.

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        Mmmm I dunno, this might damage their otherwise spotless reputation.

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          I’m starting to think the Tesla CEO isn’t a good person.

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            Sounds like a suit for the strong German unions.

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            I was about to say, this seems pretty slam dunk for them.

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              Germany should immediately seize all of Tesla's accounts there and pay the workers on sick leave out of those funds.

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                I’m starting to think the Tesla CEO isn’t a good person.

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                You don’t say…

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                  I was about to say, this seems pretty slam dunk for them.

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                  Even if the German courts rule in their favor (they should), good luck getting any money out of Tesla.

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                    Even if the German courts rule in their favor (they should), good luck getting any money out of Tesla.

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                    They can put a lien on the factory if nothing else

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                      Even if the German courts rule in their favor (they should), good luck getting any money out of Tesla.

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                      Good luck with trying to evade payments.

                      I don't know how things work in Germany but here in Finland we have an government agency which pays salaries if company can't or won't as a safeguard for employees. After that they go after the company with pretty beefy lawsuits which eventually say that either the company pays for the salaries and some extra for the trouble or government just seizes and sells enough property that they get what they're owed. And if company doesn't have money nor property then it'll go bankrupt and that's it. I assume Germany (and most of the other European countries) have similar mechanisms.

                      And then there's of course the union too. They can just decide to either stop coming to work altogether or go in a 'sitting strike', as in show up but don't do anything during the day. And they can enforce that, you can't just hire new people to replace those on strike.

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                        Even if the German courts rule in their favor (they should), good luck getting any money out of Tesla.

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                        What are you talking about? They have infrastructure in Germany. They can’t just hide on US land.

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                        • isokiero@sopuli.xyzI [email protected]

                          Good luck with trying to evade payments.

                          I don't know how things work in Germany but here in Finland we have an government agency which pays salaries if company can't or won't as a safeguard for employees. After that they go after the company with pretty beefy lawsuits which eventually say that either the company pays for the salaries and some extra for the trouble or government just seizes and sells enough property that they get what they're owed. And if company doesn't have money nor property then it'll go bankrupt and that's it. I assume Germany (and most of the other European countries) have similar mechanisms.

                          And then there's of course the union too. They can just decide to either stop coming to work altogether or go in a 'sitting strike', as in show up but don't do anything during the day. And they can enforce that, you can't just hire new people to replace those on strike.

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                          Most unions have enough reserves to take Tezzla to court for a while.

                          And in the worst/best case, a judge could impound things for damages/payment.

                          The union could literally end up owning the factory if Keto EMu keeps doubling down on it.

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                          • a_norny_mousse@feddit.orgA [email protected]

                            I read a German article a few days ago. They definitely threatened to withhold wages. They also pressured workers into disclosing their health info. Via email.

                            The Unions are (orders of magnitude) more active than in other comparable workplaces.

                            Oh and of course TESLA does not like people being in unions in the first place.

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                            I hope they rip Elon a big fat fancy new hole in his net wealth. Alas, someone, cue me the tiniest of violins 🎻

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                              What are you talking about? They have infrastructure in Germany. They can’t just hide on US land.

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                              Bold of you to assume I'm expressing defeatism. My point is that Tesla can and will fight it. They'll lose eventually, sure. My hope is that the union has enough money to pay the court costs.

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                                They can put a lien on the factory if nothing else

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                                I hope they do. Germany should go back to producing das richtig Nazi Auto.

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                                  Good luck with trying to evade payments.

                                  I don't know how things work in Germany but here in Finland we have an government agency which pays salaries if company can't or won't as a safeguard for employees. After that they go after the company with pretty beefy lawsuits which eventually say that either the company pays for the salaries and some extra for the trouble or government just seizes and sells enough property that they get what they're owed. And if company doesn't have money nor property then it'll go bankrupt and that's it. I assume Germany (and most of the other European countries) have similar mechanisms.

                                  And then there's of course the union too. They can just decide to either stop coming to work altogether or go in a 'sitting strike', as in show up but don't do anything during the day. And they can enforce that, you can't just hire new people to replace those on strike.

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                                  I always forget that in Europe, the government actually pursues fines and penalties levied against companies. Must be nice.

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                                    Bold of you to assume I'm expressing defeatism. My point is that Tesla can and will fight it. They'll lose eventually, sure. My hope is that the union has enough money to pay the court costs.

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                                    The German government given the current environment with musk will likely get involved if it goes there

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                                      Germany should immediately seize all of Tesla's accounts there and pay the workers on sick leave out of those funds.

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                                      If we somehow do that I will be more upset, considering how long it takes to seize the property of Russian oligarchs here.

                                      No, German way is to take this to court.

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                                        I’m starting to think the Tesla CEO isn’t a good person.

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                                        I can excuse being a Nazi, but workers rights is where I draw the line.

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                                          Looking at the financial figures of Tesla, withholding wages could be a way of maintaining liquidity. In some cases, this is the harbinger of insolvency. Let's see what happens next.

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