Did ChatGPT come up with Trump’s tariff rate formula? AI chatbots ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok all return the same formula for reciprocal tariff calculations, several X users claim.
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"these lazy fucks in the government are using ai to come up with policy"
Also news outlet
"I am too lazy to do the laziest thing I'm angry about, even though it's my literal job"
"News outlet" is a huge stretch. It's a crypto currency blog pretending to be news.
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Thanks, much appreciated.
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There's a ton of papers on Google Scholar that still include phases like "Let's delve into..." That show otnwas used not to translate, but for the research itself.
And someone did replicate this, and ChatGPT 4o, o1, Claude and Grok all came up with the same formula for an "easy" way to calculate tariffs.
And someone did replicate this
Can you recall who?
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You can generally toggle LLM "grounding" features, aka inserting web searches into their context.
Modern LLMs have a information "cutoff" of a few months ago, at the latest, so the base models will have zero awareness of this formula.
Unless the formula came from something that already existed that both Trumps people and these models are referencing to come up with the same number.
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You're still putting words in my mouth.
I never said they weren't stealing the data
I didn't comment on that at all, because it's not relevant to the point I was actually making, which is that people treating the output of an LLM as if it were derived from any factual source at all is really problematic, because it isn't.
I'm sorry, the discussion was never about factuality. You said search engine. They are in fact searching and reconstructing data based on a probabilistic data space.
...and there are plenty of examples of search engines being sued for the types of data they've explored or digitized.
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And someone did replicate this
Can you recall who?
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if he chops up his hamburgers into pieces it counts
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Artificial Generalized Incompetence
They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
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They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
The current tariff approach by the republican administration does not include the tariffs on US exports. They are not included in the formula.
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Am I still going crazy or what, trade deficit =/= tariffs right??
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They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
Also no surprise here that you didn't actually read the article.
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Am I still going crazy or what, trade deficit =/= tariffs right??
No you're not going crazy, you just understand economics and trade more than the President of the USA.
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How about the outlet checks and finds out?
I did, and I couldn’t get low-temperature Gemini or a local LLM to replicate it, and not all the tariffs seem to be based on the trade deficit ratio, though some suspiciously are.
Sorry, but this is a button of mine, outlets that ask stupidly easy to verify questions but dont even try. No, just cite people on Reddit and Twitter…
They tariffed places with no people in them.
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They are reciprocal so should be the same as what other nations are charging the US. The formula for them is: tariff for X = X's tariff on US, so no surprise here.
Comprehension alludes you. Or you allude it. Either way, you lose.
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Did ChatGPT come up with the color of the sky? AI chatbots ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok all return the same color for the sky, several X users claim.
The sky color is part of the training data. How did the LLMs include the training data before it existed?
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Thanks, much appreciated.
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Artificial Generalized Incompetence
Probably one of Musk's little goons was given the task, and they immediately went to ChatGPT.
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And that's not lettuce, it's horseshit.
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The numbers come from an overly simple way to level out trade deficits.
So if I sell you $100 in goods and you sell me $120 dollars in goods, I'm "losing" money, therefore 20% tariff (tax to sell me something). In reality, you're going to increase your prices and sell me $140 worth of the same stuff.
All the AIs did was expand this to a global scale, what's insane to me is that the math adds up. It doesn't take an AI to do this though, some economics undergrad could come up with the same thing. Understanding the underlying methodology shows how it completely lacks nuance or understanding of how the world really works.
what’s insane to me is that the math adds up
Too bad it's based on wrong assumptions. It's not the arithmetic that's the issue, it's the model.
some economics undergrad could come up with the same thing
And if they did it on a test, they'd flunk it.
Understanding the underlying methodology shows how it completely lacks nuance or understanding of how the world really works.
Yeah, it fails to understand the rationale for comparative advantage (there's a reason Ecuador exports more bananas than Norway does), and it also fails to consider the balance-of-payments effect of things like foreign direct investment (which looks zero-sum when it first takes place but means the profits are outflows from that point on, unless the foreign investors choose to reinvest them).
Also I don't think the idiots who came up with that table know the difference between a current account balance and balance of trade.
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Isn't his weird formula the trade defecit percentage + Tariffs from that country divided by two?
Yes, it really is that stupid.
