Insects are not meat.
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Meat, in the important sense here, is defined as "the muscle tissue of an animal" with the implicit meaning of "food". An animal, in turn, is anything that's in the animal kingdom, that is, pretty much anything that isn't a plant or a fungus. You might think "animal" means "a hairy creature with four legs or a feathered one with two wings and two legs", but the definition is far broader than that.
Insects have muscle tissue. It is edible. Therefore it is meat.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Insects are more chitin than they are meat. If you can extract the meat from a cricket and fry it up I'll give it a shot. If it's just ground up chitin and bug guts with a little bit of muscle fiber thrown in I will pass thank you.
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You only eat the inside of the shrimp and lobsters. You throw away the exoskeletons.
Good luck doing that with crickets.
Sure but why does that make crickets “not meat”?
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You only eat the inside of the shrimp and lobsters. You throw away the exoskeletons.
Good luck doing that with crickets.
So if you stick the entire lobster into a paste grinder, is it a meat product or not?
Also now I wonder if that would have any nutritional value, lots of calcium?
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Insects are more chitin than they are meat. If you can extract the meat from a cricket and fry it up I'll give it a shot. If it's just ground up chitin and bug guts with a little bit of muscle fiber thrown in I will pass thank you.
If you eat chicken nuggets I doubt you can complain too much.
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If you eat chicken nuggets I doubt you can complain too much.
Hmm 95% meat + 5% beak and feet compared to 5% meat + 95% chitin and guts. I guess it's totally the same thing, sorry my bad.
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Sure but why does that make crickets “not meat”?
They are meat the same way a cow is meat, but you don't eat the cows hide. If you sell cricket meat then it should be just the "meat" of the cricket, otherwise you are just selling cricket not cricket meat, like selling the corpse of a cow is not selling meat it's selling a dead cow.
Just as you sell lobster, you sell the lobster and then extract the meat later. Just calling the entire lobster meat is also disengenous.
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They are meat the same way a cow is meat, but you don't eat the cows hide. If you sell cricket meat then it should be just the "meat" of the cricket, otherwise you are just selling cricket not cricket meat, like selling the corpse of a cow is not selling meat it's selling a dead cow.
Just as you sell lobster, you sell the lobster and then extract the meat later. Just calling the entire lobster meat is also disengenous.
If I buy a whole chicken at the grocery store, I buy it in the meat section. No one would say “you’re buying a whole chicken, therefore you’re not buying meat.”
With lobster you can extract the meat and eat it. You can also boil the empty shell to make a lobster stock as a base for a seafood soup or a pan sauce. Just as with chicken you don’t eat the bones but you can boil them to make stocks for soup or pan sauces. They’re still classified as meat and the products you make from them are considered meat products.
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If I buy a whole chicken at the grocery store, I buy it in the meat section. No one would say “you’re buying a whole chicken, therefore you’re not buying meat.”
With lobster you can extract the meat and eat it. You can also boil the empty shell to make a lobster stock as a base for a seafood soup or a pan sauce. Just as with chicken you don’t eat the bones but you can boil them to make stocks for soup or pan sauces. They’re still classified as meat and the products you make from them are considered meat products.
You are being very selective with your choices of examples. Yes you buy a "chicken" at the grocery store but you aren't buying it with feathers and feet still attached. If you buy crickets at the grocery store I guarantee you it will be the whole carcass.
I don't understand why you are being so pedantic about this.
EATING AN CRICKET IS NOT THE SAME AS EATING AN ENTIRE CHICKEN OR LOBSTER, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU CALL MEAT OR NOT. that's the only thing I'm trying to point out even boiling the carcasses and shells to make soup bases and stock is not the same as eating the feathers and guts.
If you would like to eat an entire chicken with feathers and intestines and all that to prove me wrong then please go ahead
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You are being very selective with your choices of examples. Yes you buy a "chicken" at the grocery store but you aren't buying it with feathers and feet still attached. If you buy crickets at the grocery store I guarantee you it will be the whole carcass.
I don't understand why you are being so pedantic about this.
EATING AN CRICKET IS NOT THE SAME AS EATING AN ENTIRE CHICKEN OR LOBSTER, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU CALL MEAT OR NOT. that's the only thing I'm trying to point out even boiling the carcasses and shells to make soup bases and stock is not the same as eating the feathers and guts.
If you would like to eat an entire chicken with feathers and intestines and all that to prove me wrong then please go ahead
The original comment was “insects are not meat.” That’s it! That’s the whole claim you’re trying to defend. It’s like saying “chickens are not meat.” So they’re vegetables then?! It’s a ridiculous claim!
There are different senses (or uses) of the word meat. One sense, the narrowest one which butchers use when they talk about separating whole muscle from skin, bones, and other tissues, is the one which you are insisting is the only true definition. Another sense, the broader dietary one, classifies any product or byproduct from an animal as meat, including the whole unprocessed carcass.
Since the original claim was simply the unqualified statement “insects are not meat”, I am claiming the freedom to use the broader dietary sense of the word to show how ridiculous that statement is. You, by your insistence on the narrower sense of the word, are the one being pedantic.
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Hmm 95% meat + 5% beak and feet compared to 5% meat + 95% chitin and guts. I guess it's totally the same thing, sorry my bad.
You think nuggets are 95% meat? Long may you remain in blissful ignorance.