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  • F [email protected]

    GitHub tickets are fine.

    Jira is complicated because PMs want it to do everything. It can, but there's no good reason for it.

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    #55

    This. So fucking much this. I've seen Jira used to plan waterfall schedules, to track meeting actions, and as a relational database. And all of them claiming to be "agile".

    When used for the right thing in the right way, Jira is a great tool. It is people who make it shitty, and specifically the type of PM who doesn't understand the complexities, people or technical, of their work.

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      Not having to use windows is the very basic

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      The post isn't even about OS.

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      • W [email protected]

        What's a good alternative to Jira?

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        Goose farming

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        • F [email protected]

          Yep. "Code Snippets" recently stopped working for me (the overlay doesn't open anymore), so I only have the two remaining ways. I can still do code blocks using three backticks, but inline code I can only do using the keyboard shortcut.

          How they managed to fuck things up so badly is beyond me, and how they managed to keep them fucked up for so long is even further beyond.

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          Still works for me, are you sure?

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            They are now finally putting some work in to improve it. I don’t remember much what I used to hate particularly, it was mostly UI related, bugs or the bad Mac implementation.

            The new combined view with chats and teams is much better than the split sections.

            It took them until just recently to have a basic code block format like everyone else, instead of this annoying editor-in-editor mess they had before (and still kept for some reason).

            It used to be very buggy like you had to hunt down the source of some notification to mark it as read. It still doesn’t 100% sync with Outlook. If an event is cancelled and I click delete in Outlook, I also have to go to Teams and „read“ this update. You can set group events in Teams but they somehow don’t end up in Outlook.

            What I really like are the clay-like emojis designs.

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            Saying the Mac implementation is bad when 99% of the apps ported from iOS to Windows are an unoptimized clunky mess is hypocritical as fuck.

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            • S [email protected]

              Where is "slapping management insistent on AI?"

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              AI can be useful. Don't shit on it in a generalist statement...

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              • W [email protected]

                On a 4k monitor you can still only get about 80 characters of monospaced font per line, because of the "negative space" fetish UX designers have.

                Something dead simple like posting a stack trace, and then having someone able to, you know, read it... It's just not something teams really does well.

                I can understand how the tooling probably does a ton of stuff that corporate users want (integrating with calendars, tons of access controls for spaces for important people to talk, etc) but for a dev working primarily with a handful of other devs and qas, there is a feature set mismatch. I can't begin to tell you how badly I don't give a shit about 99% of its features.

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                How long has it been since you used Teams? I'm no apologist, I have plenty of gripes with that piece of crap software, but this seems like a crazy stretch. Teams makes it almost trivial to embed code blocks with syntax highlighting for a wide array of languages, which can be easily copied out of Teams or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.

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                • L [email protected]

                  How long has it been since you used Teams? I'm no apologist, I have plenty of gripes with that piece of crap software, but this seems like a crazy stretch. Teams makes it almost trivial to embed code blocks with syntax highlighting for a wide array of languages, which can be easily copied out of Teams or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.

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                  #62

                  It's been about 36 hours?

                  Maybe we're using an old version or something, but code blocks still don't expand horizontally to fill the available space, so we just get a horizontal slider bar.

                  or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.

                  Yes, that's my beef. If I need to juggle content to external text editors to read them, then IMO it has failed the categorical imperative of the tool.

                  Edit:

                  Back to work Monday morning:

                  Collapse all side bars, you get 89 monospaced characters. Approximately 2/3 of the horizontal screen space is reserved for empty space.

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                    AI can be useful. Don't shit on it in a generalist statement...

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                    They weren’t making a generalist statement. They were complaining about management insisting on slapping AI everywhere.

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                    • qevlarr@lemmy.worldQ [email protected]

                      I'm convinced that Jira is difficult on purpose to sell more consultancy and gold partnerships and trainers

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                      No consultancy can ever make Jira fast. It’s incredible that it takes several seconds just to open a motherfucking goddamn issue.

                      I swear all their SQL is select * from *;

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                      • R [email protected]

                        Not having to use agile work methods should be another

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                        There's an appropriate time and place for any methodology. There's never an appropriate time or place for Teams or Jira.

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                        • F [email protected]

                          GitHub tickets are fine.

                          Jira is complicated because PMs want it to do everything. It can, but there's no good reason for it.

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                          The only thing GitHub can’t to is structure tickets. It would be nice to link issues together other than by referencing them.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Except worse: Confluence tries insanely hard to prevent anyone actually getting at the document source code. So you are expected to use the godawful interactive web editor to make any changes.

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                            Clearly you've not had to use the home grown documentation methods.

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                            • F [email protected]

                              Do you really use Teams? If you do, you should not be able to say that

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                              I used it briefly when it first came out; otherwise no, my employers have used Slack.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                I actually like the flexibility, but Teams is installed in a work profile that I created. This way I can turn it off when the work day is over. Very useful!

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                                You know you can have that flexibility with a work phone, right? Without them monitoring, and controlling your device?

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                                  Saying the Mac implementation is bad when 99% of the apps ported from iOS to Windows are an unoptimized clunky mess is hypocritical as fuck.

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                                  How am I responsible for iOS to Windows ports?

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                                  • K [email protected]

                                    Food, shelter, water psychological needs? I mean everything is a psychological need by those terms

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                                    (I think they're exaggerating to emphasise how bad other things are for comedic effect.)

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                                    • N [email protected]

                                      Confluence is implied as being part of the lower parts of the pyramid yeah?

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                                      God, confluence is so fukcing dogshit.

                                      I wish it wasn't. Ideally having a central knowledge base for your project with all sorts of features sounds amazing.

                                      Then you get confluence, where loading a si gle page somehow takes 7 seconds, and your documentation is split among dozens of pages each if which take equally as long or longer to load.

                                      Folders take like 3-4 seconds to unfold and reveal what documents are inside.

                                      It's such a piece of shit

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                                      • R [email protected]

                                        Still works for me, are you sure?

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                                        Yes.

                                        It works for some of my colleagues & doesn't work for some others. You can also find bug reports in Microsofts trackers - they just don't care.

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          You know you can have that flexibility with a work phone, right? Without them monitoring, and controlling your device?

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                                          How are they monitoring and controlling my device when they don't have MDM access to it? Again, I created the work profile myself. All my company IT could have access to are the Microsoft apps I've installed in the work profile which is separated & turned off when I don't need it.

                                          If I have a second phone, I need to keep it charged, remember to take it with me, and to turn it off after work. With everything integrated into my private phone it's much easier for me.

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