Every UK petition
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Don't you guys have a more effective way of convincing the government?
Yellow vests, Citroëns on fire, Guillotines
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You’re completely missing the point.
Please enlighten me.
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Meanwhile Nigel Farage is just racking up these own goals while getting ready to sell the whole country in three years time.
Crossing my fingers for the Corbyn party...
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This image is a great reflection of the entire history of the UK, incidentally.
Well they did say yes once in 1215
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And why should it be that way? You can certainly have a mixed system. In many American states, for example, official petitions can result in referendums to enact laws without the legislature's intervention.
Switzerland and Austria too, Germany not
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Only need 500 (out of 40mil) + one MP sign off for the government to legally have to respond in Canada. They don't have to say yes but they have to officially acknowledge you at least. I was pretty surprised by how low that threshold is.
It's only like 10k here too, but the response is always "we have no plans to change anything"
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Crossing my fingers for the Corbyn party...
Hmm, I'd be a little more enthused if he wasn't on the side of Russia.
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Hmm, I'd be a little more enthused if he wasn't on the side of Russia.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not going to defend him on this but hey, if there's any politician who might do what the people want, it would be Jeremy Corbyn.
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Yellow vests, Citroëns on fire, Guillotines
Citroëns on fire
A fine tradition
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And why should it be that way? You can certainly have a mixed system. In many American states, for example, official petitions can result in referendums to enact laws without the legislature's intervention.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because the plebs are fucking retarded and change their opinions more often than their underpants. With a representative democracy, you have at least some chance that those in office try to think for more than 30 seconds about a topic before they vote.
If we had a direct democracy in Germany, I bet we’d see a ridiculous amount of racist and anti-poor legislation pass.
Or consider the anti-vaxxers as an example. I want my government policy to be made by somebody who doesn’t think “macrophage” is an insult.
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You’re completely missing the point.
the point is stupid and irrelevant
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Don't you guys have a more effective way of convincing the government?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Milk poured all over the streets of Paris worked well for the dairy farmers to the best of my knowledge. Imagine the fucking smell two days later.
The French are first class protesters.
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Because the plebs are fucking retarded and change their opinions more often than their underpants. With a representative democracy, you have at least some chance that those in office try to think for more than 30 seconds about a topic before they vote.
If we had a direct democracy in Germany, I bet we’d see a ridiculous amount of racist and anti-poor legislation pass.
Or consider the anti-vaxxers as an example. I want my government policy to be made by somebody who doesn’t think “macrophage” is an insult.
Of all the arguments against democracy, I think this one is probably among the strongest.
In the past, this was solved by giving the power of the franchise only to the upper class, because those people at least had the time and education needed to consider their choices before voting. Of course, such a system would never work in the modern day. It would just result in a country turning into a cyberpunk hellhole.
But on the other hand, giving educated people stronger voting power than uneducated people seems to be a historically unexplored idea. Something like all citizens having one vote to start, secondary school graduates having a second, baccalaureate holders having a third, and then graduate degree holders having a fourth.
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Not going to defend him on this but hey, if there's any politician who might do what the people want, it would be Jeremy Corbyn.
Not going to define him on this
Why not? Honestly fuck that.
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Milk poured all over the streets of Paris worked well for the dairy farmers to the best of my knowledge. Imagine the fucking smell two days later.
The French are first class protesters.
The problem being that the farmers are usually protesting for pesticide.
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Not going to define him on this
Why not? Honestly fuck that.
Sorry, typo, meant to say defend not define.
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Sorry, typo, meant to say defend not define.
Oh! Well that's a totally different slant haha! Thanks for the clarification.
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Of all the arguments against democracy, I think this one is probably among the strongest.
In the past, this was solved by giving the power of the franchise only to the upper class, because those people at least had the time and education needed to consider their choices before voting. Of course, such a system would never work in the modern day. It would just result in a country turning into a cyberpunk hellhole.
But on the other hand, giving educated people stronger voting power than uneducated people seems to be a historically unexplored idea. Something like all citizens having one vote to start, secondary school graduates having a second, baccalaureate holders having a third, and then graduate degree holders having a fourth.
Education is tightly connected to parents’ education. A voting scheme like this would cement another aristocracy.
And it’s also against the ‘everyone has equal rights’ thingy we kinda agreed on.
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Counterpoint: Brexit
That just proves the point. The politicians will do what serves them best, regardless of what's good for the people or the country.
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I signed the petition but I had zero belief it would actually result in anything.
We don't actually live in a democracy, that's just something they tell us while they do whatever the bloody hell they want.
reminds me of my philosophy teacher arguing against someone because my teacher said that we don't live in a democracy, but a lot of people disagreed.
i still remember the look of disapointment in their face, since they had just told us the definition of democracy
