Why aren't you creating more workers??
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By taxing corporations and reversing this insane wealth concentration.
Mhmm the uber wealthy have all the toys that the rest of the population could ever dream of. Taking away their extra ones allows you to pay for everyone else to get the level of care they deserve. Even then you will have an absurd amount of surplus that can be used to pay for decades of services that the general population needs while still letting the rich have some of their toys.
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The problem developed nations are currently facing is that we need enough young people working to continue to support the current population as it ages and retires. The absolute population probably doesn't need to be as big as it is (unless you plan on starting a war like Russia for example) but it's not clear how to manage a reducing population gracefully.
I think it is worth figuring out how to manage it - the alternative isn't super sustainable. The other thing is that it is like a 50 year challenge, which isn't insurmountable.
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We need some more people. Much as I agree as the future is bleak, if we all simply stopped procreating then there wouldn't really be any point to anything and truly no reason to want to make the world better. Can't get to Star Trek future without a future.
I don't think I mean a complete stop. I mean like a managed approach of tax incentives that over time encourage smaller families. Predicting and paying for degrees or training so we have a workforce that can fit into the economy easily. And a targeted immigration policy scaled to supplement gaps in the workforce or population.
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The problem developed nations are currently facing is that we need enough young people working to continue to support the current population as it ages and retires. The absolute population probably doesn't need to be as big as it is (unless you plan on starting a war like Russia for example) but it's not clear how to manage a reducing population gracefully.
Certainly not by letting these dirty foreigners in the country. Those wild people with their 50 kids... wait.
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Capitalist Corporations: .... hmmmm .... I guess there's no choice .... artificial human breeding it is!
Then they do the calculation on the costs to raise the children and decide it's not economically viable.
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Mhmm the uber wealthy have all the toys that the rest of the population could ever dream of. Taking away their extra ones allows you to pay for everyone else to get the level of care they deserve. Even then you will have an absurd amount of surplus that can be used to pay for decades of services that the general population needs while still letting the rich have some of their toys.
To me, that's the most disgusting part: they could live the most lavish lifestyle possible and not put a dent in their savings.
Nobody deserves that kind of wealth, nor should any one person control that much wealth. All those billions they're sitting on are funds that should have been allocated for better education, healthcare, transportation improvements and upgrades, affordable housing, etc.
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Capitalist Corporations: .... hmmmm .... I guess there's no choice .... artificial human breeding it is!
Capitalism would also charge for every part of the process, raising the price as some techno feudal lord thinks they can find the right balance between extinction pricing and maximum shareholder value.
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Want higher birthrates? Just convince people that tomorrow will be better than today.
That's how you see a spike in birth rates.
To maintain a steady birthrate, just convince potential parents that the world will not be any worse for their children than it is today.
See, easy.
You said ban birth control and porn? Got it.
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why would I want to bring somebody into this world. they'd only have to fight for basic things like "let's be nice to each other" and "maybe we should pool our money to spend it on big things that benefit us all"
fuck that. I'll live my little servile life as a cog in the machine as best I can, and then I'll die. and the dumb fucks who won't stop breeding while they try to make things worse for their children will repopulate the earth
No you don't understand. We're the most prosperous we've ever been at any point in time. There was literally no other time better than this. Life is wonderful in every way
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I'm generally a happy person but I hate people who say this.
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You said ban birth control and porn? Got it.
Track everything people do and arrest them for unauthorised opinions? Got it.
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I’d put a baby in you. Not like through sex. just standard surgical procedure
Elon, that’s enough. Go home.
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Just find someone with similar dumpster fires, then you'll both burn in the passions of what you love
Also, thanks for mentioning DINK - Double Income No Kids .... never heard of that before and now I learned something new.
Currently living that live and fuck me is life easy right now. Cats instead of kids is a very tempting option.
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Then they do the calculation on the costs to raise the children and decide it's not economically viable.
It would be economically viable up to a certain age. And if you maintained a certain age average, costs could be easily maintained to sustainable levels.
When you start analyzing the world and people as a series of costs and expenses, it's very easy to find solutions.
As humans, we've already done that many times before .... most recently in the 1940s on an industrial scale .... we are capable of doing it again.
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I don't think I mean a complete stop. I mean like a managed approach of tax incentives that over time encourage smaller families. Predicting and paying for degrees or training so we have a workforce that can fit into the economy easily. And a targeted immigration policy scaled to supplement gaps in the workforce or population.
Most places are actually experiencing a birth rate decline. South Korea is having statistically less than one child per woman. Other places like Europe are also projected to shrink.
So, it’s already happening, that’s why countries are freaking out and trying to force births now. The policy shift in the US on abortion isn’t based on religion, it’s economics.
US birth rate hit 1.6, a “stable” birth rate is just over 2.1… mind you that’s the estimate for a population not growing or declining.
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A friend of mine has three kids and works 70 hours a week. He is not able to make enough to support his family, and social services have been cut so much that his only option is to take out a personal loan, which will only make his problem worse.
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You said ban birth control and porn? Got it.
Also homosexuality, except for the wealthy.
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why would I want to bring somebody into this world. they'd only have to fight for basic things like "let's be nice to each other" and "maybe we should pool our money to spend it on big things that benefit us all"
fuck that. I'll live my little servile life as a cog in the machine as best I can, and then I'll die. and the dumb fucks who won't stop breeding while they try to make things worse for their children will repopulate the earth
No but you dont understand, the population is declining! It's so apocalyptic!
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Dumb question: do we really need more people? It feels very much like technology/productivity will allow us to support a good lifestyle with fewer people.
wrote last edited by [email protected]We? No. Capitalism? Yes.
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By taxing corporations and reversing this insane wealth concentration.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No fuck that shit. Vote for the rich. Vote for their families. Vote for the fuckers who brutalize us on their behalf.
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Mhmm the uber wealthy have all the toys that the rest of the population could ever dream of. Taking away their extra ones allows you to pay for everyone else to get the level of care they deserve. Even then you will have an absurd amount of surplus that can be used to pay for decades of services that the general population needs while still letting the rich have some of their toys.
What if we, instead if taking their toys, just voted for them?
They are a menace. They have ruined our earth and stolen our futures. They should lose everything. Fuck compromise; you'd have to fight just as hard for it; just take all of it. Vote for them all. Vote for their vile spawn too. Put them all in elected office.
