When rich people can edit their kids DNA won't that just lock everyone else out and create a new class?
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CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?
Let them pick their own damned cotton.
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Can’t wait for them to make their kids super smart and then their kids call them idiots.
I'm thinking there are dominant and latent effects to any development, natural or engineered. This tech could have latent effects similar to uhh pedigreeing.
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But our side has rules, you assume they play by the rules.
China academia has the same problem that US academia has: publish or perish.
And seriously, you can't say something like that and ignore all the BS the US government has been pulling internationally for decades. Trump murdered 14 random people on boats that weren't even in US territory, and seemingly no one on the international stage gives a shit
Oh theres a shit ton of BS. but you are trying to deflect to the US. no one has ever given a shit, look at Israel. What does that have to do with the context of the dicussion?
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CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?
That's a worry, but also there's still a lot of stuff we don't understand about genetics, and a bunch of grifters who'll fleece the super wealthy
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The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.
Okay, but the moral of the story was that "superior" people weren't actually superior. They were just racist.
The protagonist outwits and outperforms them all.
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Yeah it’s a cool movie but the message of systemic disadvantages don’t matter if you try hard enough is a little questionable at best.
The issue wasn't "try hard enough". It was how systematic disenfranchisement hobbles people far more than their genetics.
Once you brand someone as "lesser", their actual capacity is irrelevant. They won't be given the opportunity to succeed (much less to fail and try again) while the presumed-superior cohort is offered advantage after advantage in order to prove they are better.
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Not just education, but what really matters- social connections. The wealthy only want to socialize with other wealthy people, so when their kids begin entering adulthood they’ll give them a leg up. Wealthy people control access to many high-paying jobs; the classic example is wall st, where unless you’re a rocket scientist your daddy has to know someone to get an internship.
Lets hope they dont weed out empathy.
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Oh theres a shit ton of BS. but you are trying to deflect to the US. no one has ever given a shit, look at Israel. What does that have to do with the context of the dicussion?
You brought it up, you specifically said "our side has rules". It's not a deflection to point out that "our side" violates those rules whenever it suits them.
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You brought it up, you specifically said "our side has rules". It's not a deflection to point out that "our side" violates those rules whenever it suits them.
rules isnt the right term I guess, ethics maybe, scientific principles, not pushing things before they are ready? Worried about the kids ya know. Things China might have a different view of.
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Oh theres a shit ton of BS. but you are trying to deflect to the US. no one has ever given a shit, look at Israel. What does that have to do with the context of the dicussion?
Hey man, you're the one that brought up rules.
But while we're talking about international rules, gene editing of embryos and their descendants is legal in the US if it's privately funded. And it's not illegal internationally to do soAlso, I'd be less worried about CRISPR specifically for this use, because it's not always accurate, is limited in what it can actually do, and there are better gene editing tools now
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rules isnt the right term I guess, ethics maybe, scientific principles, not pushing things before they are ready? Worried about the kids ya know. Things China might have a different view of.
Stop me if this is too large a leap, but I think maybe people in china value the well-being of their children. You know. Like everyone does, everywhere.
Also, iPad babies are a phenomenon here. Pushing things before they're ready or we have a complete understanding of the consequences is a global phenomenon.
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CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?
I do wonder what traits the wealthy would tend to select for.
I don't think rich people want their kids bashing their brains in playing football. They want to watch the lower classes play in their gladiator battles for the wealthy's entertainment. So if selecting for physical attributes, I see it being more around aesthetics than athletics.
And they can select for intelligence, but they'd have to figure out how to not increase mental issues that correlate with intelligence. It's a pretty complicated relationship. And intelligence + education opportunities only gets so far without personality and random chance. Heck, I could point to some rich people who don't seem to value intelligence at all.
If I could select for one thing, I would select for a strong immune system. Make a solid physical foundation for a person to build on and make their life of their own decisions.
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Life eventually imitates art.
Eventually?? Black Mirror and the Handmaid's Tale aren't really all that old, and look at us right now! It's like it's a how-to-guide for these fascists..
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Eventually?? Black Mirror and the Handmaid's Tale aren't really all that old, and look at us right now! It's like it's a how-to-guide for these fascists..
We don't have back-alley gene editors yet
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I wish I could read books. Only read like 5 books as an adult.
The only way to develop a new habit is to start doing the thing!
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The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Same for H. G. Wells- The Time Machine book in the part where the traveler meets the Morlocks and the Eloi.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine
EDIT: Got my authors mixed up, it wasn't Jules Verne.
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I do wonder what traits the wealthy would tend to select for.
I don't think rich people want their kids bashing their brains in playing football. They want to watch the lower classes play in their gladiator battles for the wealthy's entertainment. So if selecting for physical attributes, I see it being more around aesthetics than athletics.
And they can select for intelligence, but they'd have to figure out how to not increase mental issues that correlate with intelligence. It's a pretty complicated relationship. And intelligence + education opportunities only gets so far without personality and random chance. Heck, I could point to some rich people who don't seem to value intelligence at all.
If I could select for one thing, I would select for a strong immune system. Make a solid physical foundation for a person to build on and make their life of their own decisions.
You have played CK3?
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Stop me if this is too large a leap, but I think maybe people in china value the well-being of their children. You know. Like everyone does, everywhere.
Also, iPad babies are a phenomenon here. Pushing things before they're ready or we have a complete understanding of the consequences is a global phenomenon.
The people value this but does the government?
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Nah, a pretty silly comedy tv show. It explores this exact thing. Natural born people are forced to live in the sewers and survive on rats while the Biotics scour all time and space to destroy them.
... or they're just crazy people who chose to live in the tunnels and have an irrational hatred of hospitals. The biotics only traveled through time to stop them from changing the time line.
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rules isnt the right term I guess, ethics maybe, scientific principles, not pushing things before they are ready? Worried about the kids ya know. Things China might have a different view of.
wrote last edited by [email protected]...you think the US has scientific ethics? What the fuck have you been watching for the last 60 years?
