Highway to hell!
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Are the no limit zones shown on google maps?
Also how well/visible are the signs?
I fear thinking some section is no limits only to get a massive ticket.
Of course I would drive after the conditions
99% of the time it’s obvious, especially with modern cars that read the signs plus apps like google maps (though sometimes at least one of those is wrong). You can also look around and see how fast everybody is going, eg. when you enter the highway in an unknown area, and not sure about the speed limit for that section. If I’m uncertain, I just drive normally until I see a sign that comfirms the speed limit.
I am regularly going around 200 km/h, and the only ticket I got was going 99 at an 80 sign next to a closer and renovated lane. It was around midnight, I was already slowing down, but didn’t want to slam on the brakes harder.
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So it's a good time to say it once more, a lot of this is based on myths, not knowledge.
Having no speed limit is a really bad thing for both the environnement AND for public safety.
https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/the-case-for-speed-limits and so many more examples.
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Speeding fines are cheap. Road tax in a sense.
But if you get into an accident, the fines multiply very fast.
If an accident is caused by the winter tire violation, the guilty must pay a 120 Euro fine in addition to other applicable allegations of the accident.
Killing an animal with your car, you'll be fined the cost of the animals life.
If you damage a tree by crashing into it, you also have to pay for the replacement of the tree.
You can be fined for tailgating above 80km/h.
It's also illegal to run out of gas on the Autobahn.
It's illegal to leave your car unlocked.
List goes on and on, but I've actually never seen many enforced (aside from paying for the tree, it was nearly 2.5k per tree)
So if you hit wildlife you have to pay or does it only count for domesticated animals that aren't allowed on roads in most places? That sounds insane. In most countries if you hit a dog with your car the dog owner is liable for damages to your car in most cases, same with cattle unless it's part of a convoy.
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Of course, you are right, but ...
if you are driving fast and don't want to constantly switch lanes imo it is ok to drive in the left lane while constantly checking if there is someone behind you for whom you need switch to the right lane (yeah, yeah, still illegal).
Exactly. I often stay in the left lane when going very fast, to leave one empty lane between me and others going much slower. I will not go 200 km/h next to a truck or a car with a trailer going 90, as that is just not safe. If there is a car in the lane next to me, I slow down before I come close. If there are multiple cars, I slow down even more, as somebody might decide to overtake and come into my lane. And if I see somebody faster behind me, I pull over and let them pass.
The only time I really speed up, is if there is a lot of space all around, on a straight road with good visibility and road conditions, which is quite rare. So most of the time the autobahn just feels like a regular highway, with a bit more flexibility.
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If I'm going really fast I may give people who are just sitting on the left lane a single flash when I'm still quite far away so they are aware I'm closing in.
Going fast is only possible on a quite empty road anyways.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes. And the Taycan behind me was very far, but coming very fast, so it was good to get a “notification” in time. I don’t mind as long as they are not breathing down my neck and flashing their lights constantly.
I don’t do it myself, I usually just wait a bit and they notice (but I’m also not going 300).
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Germany has fewer than average road fatalities than most of the world. Less than average in Europe too.
It's not really statistically noticable in that regard. Not the best, but far from the worst.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm sorry but this is cherry picking.
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So if you hit wildlife you have to pay or does it only count for domesticated animals that aren't allowed on roads in most places? That sounds insane. In most countries if you hit a dog with your car the dog owner is liable for damages to your car in most cases, same with cattle unless it's part of a convoy.
It mostly falls under Federal Nature Conservation Act (Bundesnaturschutzgesetz). I believe it's very localized of the penalties for killing an animal on the road.
Regardless, you'll need to call the police if you kill a domesticated animal or any larger animals. I believe rodents are too small to be reported.
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I‘m all in favor of a general 130 km/h limit on German autobahn. In addition to being better for the environment, it would make our already relatively save autobahn even saver. But I have a feeling that the speed limit in Germany is similar to the gun discussion in the US. It’s a very emotional topic for many people.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Comparing the statistics to other countries, I don’t think it would affect the safety, that is I think more related to driving skill, attitude, and car safety features.
Regarding environment and emotionality, you are certainly right. For general speed limit to get accepted, DB would need to be much better, so maybe the goverment should start saving the planet there.
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Germans any other time: obey the rule no matter how bad
If there is no rule to obey there is no problem. But the majority of Germans (60 percent was the last number I heard) is actually for the introduction of a speed limit.
But this topic is kind of like discussions about gun laws in the US. So hardly any party picks it up. Especially not the current government parties.
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So it's a good time to say it once more, a lot of this is based on myths, not knowledge.
Having no speed limit is a really bad thing for both the environnement AND for public safety.
https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/the-case-for-speed-limits and so many more examples.
You're preaching to the choir.
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I moved to Germany 2 years ago, and was afraid of highways being like Mad Max, but I was positively surprised.
Most drivers are very attentive and skilled, keeping the rules, driving safe. I like it much better, than Eastern EU, where people are also going 150+, and are being assholes in the meantime. The upper limit of 130 just puts stress on me, because I obey the laws, but the giant SUV in my ass flashing their highbeams does not. In Germany this barely happens to me, most drivers are polite and safe, even in expensive sports cars.
I really came to enjoy the liberating feeling of driving at my own (and the traffic’s) pace on the autobahn. Yesterday I was travelling between Dusseldorf and Berlin, long open stretches of 3-lane roads, with only a few cars around. I was going around 200, yet I saw a car far behind me coming up fast, some polite flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right, and let a Porsche pass me quickly.
I might sound like a carbrain, but I’m not. Everybody should try German highways once, so they can form their own opinion, and not judge based on internet memes. I feel 10x safer on the autobahn, than on some shitty Eastern EU highway with a bunch of apes around me, who don’t care about the rules.
I like it much better, than Eastern EU, where people are also going 150+, and are being assholes in the meantime
You should try Italy. Total culture shock the first time I drove there. Especially, entering via Switzerland where they are completely anal about traffic rules.
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There are no "polite flashes". If you have to bully other cars out of the left lane, you're driving faster than traffic allows.
At least where I live, the law allows for using flashes to indicate that you want to overtake.
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OK, yes. The issue is only that I've never seen it used in an OK situation. Probably because I drive in the most suitable right lane, unless overtaking. I only ever see it being used while overtaking, which should be visible for the person speeding. And that is not a situation where it's fine to signal your intent for overtaking. When there's an Elefantenrennen that forces others into the left lane, you can signal all you want. There are simply too many cars to drive fast. I don't know how often I've been bullied out of the left lane, fearing for my safety, only to merge right back right behind the asshole who's now stuck behind the car that was right in front of me. I'll never understand that mindset.
Contrary to OP I hate driving on German highways because of the amount of aggressive assholes. I always found driving in the Netherlands much more relaxing.
I always found driving in the Netherlands much more relaxing.
Ah yes, NL = Nur Links ... I understand why you feel more at home there
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Ironically, Germany is the only country where I’ve gotten speeding tickets on the highway when driving through Europe east to west or vice versa. I’m still not entirely sure whether it was because of road works, the fact that I had a (small) trailer, or something else.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]For trailers, there is a general speed limit of 80km/h, unless the trailer is suitably equipped and officially approved for 100km/h and is towed by a suitable vehicle. (Here, the specifics get complicated, because Germany) Trailers capable of driving at 100km/h must be marked at the rear with a sticker.
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Comparing the statistics to other countries, I don’t think it would affect the safety, that is I think more related to driving skill, attitude, and car safety features.
Regarding environment and emotionality, you are certainly right. For general speed limit to get accepted, DB would need to be much better, so maybe the goverment should start saving the planet there.
I think both would be great. Make public transit better AND introduce a general speed limit. We don’t need to choose only one option.
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German here. It is true that yes, there are some parts of the German highway where there is no official speed limit. But often times, be it through traffic or speed limits, you can't drive that fast.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Drivers of Audi, Mercedes, BMW be like
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It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you’re free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don’t have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
If that isn't the most accurate description of driving through Germany, I don't know what is
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99% of the time it’s obvious, especially with modern cars that read the signs plus apps like google maps (though sometimes at least one of those is wrong). You can also look around and see how fast everybody is going, eg. when you enter the highway in an unknown area, and not sure about the speed limit for that section. If I’m uncertain, I just drive normally until I see a sign that comfirms the speed limit.
I am regularly going around 200 km/h, and the only ticket I got was going 99 at an 80 sign next to a closer and renovated lane. It was around midnight, I was already slowing down, but didn’t want to slam on the brakes harder.
What does the signs say? "No Limit" in german?
Also how often are they spaced?
And can you trust google maps complete? (and what does it say there?)
Sorry lots of questions, I really have no plan of driving like a mad man, but if the conditions, dry, high visiblity, good car spacing, good road, then I see no reason not to drive faster.
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Signs are quite visible. Around here (Munich) most of the Autobahn speed limits are electronic signs anyways, which can be turned off or on set to a limit between 60 and 120 due to traffic or weather conditions. *
"Normal" speed limits signs are being repeated every 30 seconds or so, google. maps also shows the limit while navigating and a lot of newer cars detect the signs as well and show the current limit on the speedometer.
Current cars must play a warning sound (by law) each time you exceed the limit. (You may turn the warning off for the current trip)
- btw there's one electronic sign per lane on a "bridge - like" construction and here in Bavaria they include mounting points for speed trap cameras.
Cool and what do the "no limit" signs say specifically? They just look like this?
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It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
if you drive too fast you’re not insured
I explicitly asked my insurance company (verbally, not a chatbot) about this last time I went to Germany. They said as long as I'm not breaking any laws, my insurance is valid. No speed limit means there is no "too fast to be insured".
