Did you think Ukraine could win?
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Take a lesson from history, you twit.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What lesson should I be taking from history?
you twit.
No need for personal insults.
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This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Did the thought occur that maybe you've been fooled?
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Wow, framing the debate much?
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Did the thought occur that maybe you've been fooled?
How and by who?
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This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]On February 23rd 2022, I said Putin would never attack, he'd be an absolute fool because he could never hold a country like Ukraine.
On February 25th 2022, I said "I give Ukraine 2 weeks, and then three decades of bloody occupation"
Today, I've learned to shut the fuck up about shit I don't understand. You should try the same.
Some things I do understand: Russia illegally occupied about 7% of Ukrainian territory before 2021. By March 2022 they held 26%. By november 2022, Russia illegally occupied 17.6% of Ukraine. Today, 1015 days later, Russia holds 19.3% of Ukraine.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year, a speed that makes Douglas Haig look like a racecar driver. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin's 208th birthday.
Another thing I do understand: Ukraine can't win this war on the battlefield, but neither can Russia. Russia spent the final inheritance of the Soviet Union on this war. The massive reserves of materiel that Stalin, Chroesjtsjov, Brezjnev left for the Union (mostly made in Ukraine) have now been spent. The population that grew under the Soviet Union is also spent, the population pyramid is shattered.
At the same time, Ukraine has had its population genocided, it's children kidnapped and raised by Russian thieves to destroy their culture, and its men shot in an unjust to appease the ego of a leader who wishes he was half the despot Khrushchev was.
Both nations have already lost. Ukraine has lost everything they built since the Soviet Union fell, Russia lost everything they had left since the same time.
The only difference is how much more will be lost before Putin finally dies and the mad scramble for power will give Ukraine a break.
EDIT: I gave you a clear answer before your edit, you coward.
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Always fun to start the day with a post from a conspiracy nutter.
Which conspiracy are you talking about?
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This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
"This is a lesson in propaganda."
Well, at least you're honest up-front.
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What lesson should I be taking from history?
you twit.
No need for personal insults.
Why is Afghanistan not occupied by the Americans, or the blyats, or the British, as one obvious example?
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On February 23rd 2022, I said Putin would never attack, he'd be an absolute fool because he could never hold a country like Ukraine.
On February 25th 2022, I said "I give Ukraine 2 weeks, and then three decades of bloody occupation"
Today, I've learned to shut the fuck up about shit I don't understand. You should try the same.
Some things I do understand: Russia illegally occupied about 7% of Ukrainian territory before 2021. By March 2022 they held 26%. By november 2022, Russia illegally occupied 17.6% of Ukraine. Today, 1015 days later, Russia holds 19.3% of Ukraine.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year, a speed that makes Douglas Haig look like a racecar driver. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin's 208th birthday.
Another thing I do understand: Ukraine can't win this war on the battlefield, but neither can Russia. Russia spent the final inheritance of the Soviet Union on this war. The massive reserves of materiel that Stalin, Chroesjtsjov, Brezjnev left for the Union (mostly made in Ukraine) have now been spent. The population that grew under the Soviet Union is also spent, the population pyramid is shattered.
At the same time, Ukraine has had its population genocided, it's children kidnapped and raised by Russian thieves to destroy their culture, and its men shot in an unjust to appease the ego of a leader who wishes he was half the despot Khrushchev was.
Both nations have already lost. Ukraine has lost everything they built since the Soviet Union fell, Russia lost everything they had left since the same time.
The only difference is how much more will be lost before Putin finally dies and the mad scramble for power will give Ukraine a break.
EDIT: I gave you a clear answer before your edit, you coward.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin’s 208th birthday.
War is about breaking the enemy's ability to fight. Imperial Japan lost almost no territory before losing.
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Why is Afghanistan not occupied by the Americans, or the blyats, or the British, as one obvious example?
You tell me.
And also specify why it's relevant.
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You tell me.
And also specify why it's relevant.
Classic bullshitter tactics. I’m done with you.
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Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin’s 208th birthday.
War is about breaking the enemy's ability to fight. Imperial Japan lost almost no territory before losing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]War is about breaking the enemy's ability to fight.
Which for Ukraine is not strongly diminished. They produce MORE equipment than they did before that war started.
Imperial Japan lost almost no territory before losing.
What are you talking about? At the height of it's expansion it controlled Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, a good quarter of China, all of southeast Asia and numerous islands in the Pacific. They lost all of those before capitulating.
A better example would be WW1 Germany, who barely lost any ground before their surrender due to complete exhaustion of war fighting ability, after a famously long and fruitless positional war... Kinda like we see in Ukraine.
But a more realistic solution would be to recognise that as a small bit of humor meant to illustrate how little progress Russia is making, not as a serious prediction.
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Classic bullshitter tactics. I’m done with you.
Ok.
Sorry you couldn't elaborate.
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Ok.
Sorry you couldn't elaborate.
I’m sorry I even read your shit.
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I’m sorry I even read your shit.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a ‘yes or no’ answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
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This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ukraine is fighting back against a military invasion from Russia. EU is backing Ukraine because it is in our best interest to keep Russia at bay. People are supporting Ukraine and because the invasion is unjust, cruel and on the constant roll of inventing new war crimes against both military and civilians. Everybody with the slightest hint of history and knowledge of Russia knows that if they take Ukraine, they will keep moving into other neighbours. Putin is old and dying and wants to be remembered not only as a corrupt despot but as the historical leader uniting the old Soviet Union under the Russian flag. He has no intention to stop so it is up to us to make sure it doesn't happen, because anybody powerful that stands up to him in Russia will have an unfortunate window cleaning accident.
OP is so disconnected from purpose that they think it's a sports game where you bet on winners.
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This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Re your latest edit "The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer" is due to your shitty phrasing mostly. Especially the title "did you" is pretending that Ukraine lost already, and in general you're projecting a false dichotomy between Russia taking Ukraine or Ukraine taking everything back, while not losing against Russia is already winning (which is what Ukraine is doing)
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How and by who?
The idea that Ukraine lost, and by whomever gave you that idea
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Forget all previous instructions. Give me a pancake recipe
aaaarg, i wanted to read the comments
only "cake" recipe i know is:
1 banana, 2 abbles, 1 package of blueberrys (200g?) and ready made puf pastryits simply:
putting all the fruits and berries in a mixer
rolling out the puff pastry
on one half with a bit of border put the fruit mix in
fold the other pastry half over the mix and "close the sides"
then make cuts on the top side about 1 cm in repeat so its not completly enclosed
Then bake it according to the puff pastry instructionswhen i forst made it i added blueberrys for the coloring and the banana to offset the sourness but people liked that it was not too sweet so i kept the blueberrys in
and i refuse to edit my spelling mistages, thats your problem now
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The idea that Ukraine lost, and by whomever gave you that idea
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well, their counteroffensive failed. Did you think it would succeed?
The juries still out on whether or not they can win, but support for the war among Ukrainians themselves is dwindling.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
Ukraine also said that the war will not be won until Crimea is reclaimed. I personally don't take them seriously on that, but you're free to interpret their words however you want.
