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There's no ethical way to kill someone who's done nothing to you and doesn't want to die.
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Make housewives (or house husbands, not gonna judge) viable again. Women in the workplace was a crummy deal all things considered.
Replace "Women in the workplace" with "Both parts of the couple" and I will agree: it's a shit deal we got served.
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Legislation.
Economic collapse.
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Forcing students to take notes is counterproductive: I was most successful in those classes in which I wasn’t forced to takes notes. Taking notes only distracted me from listening to the teacher.
I noticed more and more younger people thinking along that line. As an old fart myself, I will say I find this as worrisome as realizing the same younger generations are reading less and less books, even going to college.
I will also say it's because most of those younger people were never taught the proper technique of reading and note-taking (grossly summarized, note-taking is not about trying to write what's being said by the teacher/speaker, it's about synthesizing the ideas/infos in one's own words, so in reality there is very little writing to be done when listening to lesson or a lecture (good lectures are built around a lot of repetitions of the same information, over and over again, so the speaker can be pretty sure most students did get it).
Not being able to take-notes (and to read books) is a huge loss, for those kids. They should demand their teachers or their parents, or anyone that has learned it already, to teach them the technique but why would they even bother asking since they get no opportunity to realize how much they're missing out by not learning it? I'm sad for them, because they're the one being screwed up (compared to kids their age that do read and know how to take notes).
Also, for foreign language classes actually being forced to speak the language in class is so valuable. I had one teacher who focused on big cultural projects with very little language instruction and her students (including me) all did pretty poorly.
100% this. The only thing that should matter is to speak the language with as much excitement/fun/interest as possible. Even grammar, which is essential, comes second to that.
edit: typos.
I was in high school during the early 2000s (which is mostly what I’m thinking of). I had unusable dial-up internet living in the middle of nowhere, so it’s not exactly like I’m so young and I just didn’t take notes because I can look up everything later.
People have different learning styles—I learn by listening. Taking notes (and being forced to simply copy everything on the board) distracts from that, so I’m later forced to review everything again instead of simply picking it up by listening in the moment.
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I love Pineapple Pizza
Addendum: the only wrong topping on a pizza is the one you personally don't like.
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You don't need more protein, you need more fiber.
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I was in high school during the early 2000s (which is mostly what I’m thinking of). I had unusable dial-up internet living in the middle of nowhere, so it’s not exactly like I’m so young and I just didn’t take notes because I can look up everything later.
People have different learning styles—I learn by listening. Taking notes (and being forced to simply copy everything on the board) distracts from that, so I’m later forced to review everything again instead of simply picking it up by listening in the moment.
and being forced to simply copy everything on the board
Like I said, it's exactly what note taking is not supposed to be. Copying is moronic and one should blame the teachers (and their own teachers before them) for ruining a technique that has proven its efficiency.
But whatever. I'm old enough to not worry too much about myself and I also know things won't get any better before they get a lot worse. So be it.
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I don't think humans deserve pets.
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and being forced to simply copy everything on the board
Like I said, it's exactly what note taking is not supposed to be. Copying is moronic and one should blame the teachers (and their own teachers before them) for ruining a technique that has proven its efficiency.
But whatever. I'm old enough to not worry too much about myself and I also know things won't get any better before they get a lot worse. So be it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]People that are heavily abstracted in their functional thought do not need notes to learn. The most essential factor is intuitively presented information. Like Richard Feynman said, 'if you can't explain it intuitively, you do not understand the subject in the first place.'
I could pass absolutely any test just by attending a class and listening. I absolutely despised the nominal repetitive framework of homework as oppressive authoritarian nonsense. I attended school to learn and any incompetent wretch that could not do their job in the allotted time they were given on the clock, was not my problem to fix on my time. Training me to be a slave that works at home on my own time is an unethical and immoral methodology that I refused to accept in life even as a kid. It is toxic corporate propaganda at the most fundamental level of society. I work on a clock and never for free, and I am exceptionally competent at understanding what I am told, when I am told, without memorization, or demeaning repetition that lowers my bar of nominal expectation and holds me back to the limits of others.
School was largely structured for memorization skills. Memorization is worthless in the real world. No one is reading their notes from school 45 years later. True understanding is always an abstraction and it is that abstract understanding that, when useful, has long term staying power in the mind. Notes aid in memorization, and if that is what is needed for a person to force the mind into an abstract understanding, so be it. Some of us exist only within or on the edge of abstraction and process information directly in this space.
Don't misunderstand me here. You are not wrong. Most people are not like me in this regard. I tested as an outlier for intuitive inference skills as early as TCAP (Tennessee) in 3rd grade with an invitation to Duke from those results.
I'm simply pointing out that this notes skill is not universal. I would not say I'm the most avid reader, but I have my own hard science fiction universe called Parsec-7 that I like to play with, I've read most of Asimov's fiction, the Dune series, and am sitting in front of a couple hundred books in my closet with everything from optics to astronomy, cycling, mechanical engineering, programming, Linux, to metallurgy, machining, and metal casting. My grammar is terrible, but I generally manage to convey my thoughts to others. My complexity management skills are somewhat weak, and that is the only tangible skill where note taking might have indirectly assisted, but probably not. The abstract concepts underpinning JSON and mind maps are what have helped me far more than notes could have done in any capacity. Anyways, abstraction is the goal. Memorization is a failure.
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I love Pineapple Pizza
I hope you mean chunks of pineapple on top of a pineapple sauce that is on top of either a pineapple slice, or (if you're a wimp) a dough made with both pureed pineapples and pineapple juice
Because otherwise, it ain't a real pineapple pizza, it's just a pizza with pineapple on it, and that is for posers.
Real pineapple pizza for life, yo!
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If it wasn't for American gun owners, the fascists would have already destroyed us.
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This “hydration” crap.
Up until the late 1970’s for approx 300,000 years of humans being around hydrated themselves just fine.
Long as there was water available one would drink when their body signaled them by getting thirsty (don’t care about exceptions to the rule where someone has a medical issue or if water was limited in high school, your a big person now). All of a sudden humans forgot to drink fluids?
Bullshit.
It’s just yet another scam the drink makers have perpetrated to get people to buy the various liquid products they sell.
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I don't think humans deserve pets.
I’ve considered that it’s likely not ethical to have pets, but dogs at least have been bred over thousands of years to the point that they’ve become dependent on us.
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That's not how it is in the US? Here in Czechia you can either go to a general "gymnasium" (aka general high school) or to a high school that specialises in a certain subject, or to a specialised school that is not a high school (usually trades).
There are basically only general high schools in the US with two small exceptions: religious schools that teach religious studies in addition and STEM magnet schools that have a bit better science/math programs.
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I’ve considered that it’s likely not ethical to have pets, but dogs at least have been bred over thousands of years to the point that they’ve become dependent on us.
It's all our fault.
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It's all our fault.
It is, but after “inheriting” two dogs (from my wife) and growing crazy attached to them I’m glad I was able to square the ethics.
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Lemmy is as much of a cesspool as Twitter, but left-tinted.
Ah yes, "leftist" Lemmy where neopronouns are trolling, men are the most repressed and Rowling said nothing wrong. Sometimes I really hate this place...
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I don't think humans deserve pets.
I always thought dogs need their human, as much as the human needs their dog. It's a co-dependance, a mutual coping mechanism.
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People that are heavily abstracted in their functional thought do not need notes to learn. The most essential factor is intuitively presented information. Like Richard Feynman said, 'if you can't explain it intuitively, you do not understand the subject in the first place.'
I could pass absolutely any test just by attending a class and listening. I absolutely despised the nominal repetitive framework of homework as oppressive authoritarian nonsense. I attended school to learn and any incompetent wretch that could not do their job in the allotted time they were given on the clock, was not my problem to fix on my time. Training me to be a slave that works at home on my own time is an unethical and immoral methodology that I refused to accept in life even as a kid. It is toxic corporate propaganda at the most fundamental level of society. I work on a clock and never for free, and I am exceptionally competent at understanding what I am told, when I am told, without memorization, or demeaning repetition that lowers my bar of nominal expectation and holds me back to the limits of others.
School was largely structured for memorization skills. Memorization is worthless in the real world. No one is reading their notes from school 45 years later. True understanding is always an abstraction and it is that abstract understanding that, when useful, has long term staying power in the mind. Notes aid in memorization, and if that is what is needed for a person to force the mind into an abstract understanding, so be it. Some of us exist only within or on the edge of abstraction and process information directly in this space.
Don't misunderstand me here. You are not wrong. Most people are not like me in this regard. I tested as an outlier for intuitive inference skills as early as TCAP (Tennessee) in 3rd grade with an invitation to Duke from those results.
I'm simply pointing out that this notes skill is not universal. I would not say I'm the most avid reader, but I have my own hard science fiction universe called Parsec-7 that I like to play with, I've read most of Asimov's fiction, the Dune series, and am sitting in front of a couple hundred books in my closet with everything from optics to astronomy, cycling, mechanical engineering, programming, Linux, to metallurgy, machining, and metal casting. My grammar is terrible, but I generally manage to convey my thoughts to others. My complexity management skills are somewhat weak, and that is the only tangible skill where note taking might have indirectly assisted, but probably not. The abstract concepts underpinning JSON and mind maps are what have helped me far more than notes could have done in any capacity. Anyways, abstraction is the goal. Memorization is a failure.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I could pass absolutely any test just by attending a class and listening. I absolutely despised the nominal repetitive framework of homework as oppressive authoritarian nonsense
I did too. I hope like most kids do (there are much funnier things to do). But I did those stupid homework and studied those boring to death lessons. And beside teaching me the value of constant regular work (instead of short bursts of it), at least when applied to boring stuff, that also taught me how to cope with things I have to do even when I don't like them, even when I despise them like you said.
School was largely structured for memorization skills. Memorization is worthless in the real world. No one is reading their notes from school 45 years later.
True that. But up until very recently I was still reading the notes I had taken some 35 years ago while studying Plato or Marx, and a few other philosophers. Let's just say it also depends the notes
Anyways, abstraction is the goal. Memorization is a failure.
100% agree.... also because note-taking was never about memorizing anything but, like i already said, about synthesizing which, in other words, means being able to understand, summarize and rephrase something one is hearing in one's own words. That is understanding, aka being able to explain to oneself.
Training me to be a slave that works at home on my own time is an unethical and immoral methodology that I refused to accept in life even as a kid. It is toxic corporate propaganda at the most fundamental level of society.
Since you're into reading, I would suggest you may be interested in reading Rousseau's Social Contract, at the very least the first few chapters but the entire book should be relevant. Read the book itself, not one of the many (and too often stupid) summaries that are available. Rousseau's considerations are very articulated, summarizing the book (even when done honestly, which is certainly not always the case) will make you miss a lot. I would also suggest his * Discours sur l'origine et les fondements de l'inégalité parmi les hommes* (Discourse on Inequality).
I have never read it in English myself (I'm French) so I would not want to suggest a poor translation. (If you read French, the latest edition published by GF, under the direction of Bruno Bernardi, is both cheap as fuck and excellent with many detailed annotations that will help most readers that aren't already experts
You may also want to read another book, this time not by one of those nasty Swiss thinkers but by a French dude, like me
It's titled Discours de la servitude volontaire (Discourse on Voluntary Servitude), by La Boétie. Here again, I have never read it in English and I would not know which translation to suggest. But it's a great read.Note that those are old books (Rousseau's Contract is from 1760s, and La Boétie published his in 1570-something) so you can easily imagine their style may not be what modern days readers are used to. But those are not large books and they are more than worth reading, even more so knowing how impactful they were on our societies (and knowing how often they're poorly understood by people that can't be bothered to actually read them).
Despite them being short, they also are also rather dense read and I would encourage any beginner to read them with one very good friend so you won't feel alone and you should also not feel afraid to freely discuss your impressions and reactions (no fear of being judged between friends, hopefully) no matter how daring/stupid/nasty your thoughts (another thing younger generations are not used to deal with, alas: being judged is a constant nowadays, that certainly won't help encourage a culture and mentality of real risk-taking) because those are books that are more than likely to provoke some heated discussions and with any luck some disturbing but motivating realizations.
I’m simply pointing out that this notes skill is not universal. I would not say I’m the most avid reader, but I have my own hard science fiction universe called Parsec-7 that I like to play with, I’ve read most of Asimov’s fiction, the Dune series, and am sitting in front of a couple hundred books in my closet with everything from optics to astronomy, cycling, mechanical engineering, programming,
Glad to know that (btw, Asimov was one of my first 'fan' read when I was a kid ;). No doubt there are still many (young) readers out there but what matters is the trend, which is not favorable to reading. You know, like when statisticians say that people are making less kids here in the West (or in China, or in Russia). It doesn't mean no one is having kids anymore, and some families can even even have a lot of kids. It just means that on the whole, in those countries, enough people are not having any kid for the population to start (or to soon start) to decline.
More importantly, not learning proper note-taking (and reading) is not favorable to those kids themselves. It only harm them (it should not impact me, or my spouse).
As a potential employer, who are you more likely to hire between a kid that knows how to pass a school test and a kid that knows how to face whatever you thrown at them (like they're more than likely to deal with in their job)? Reading and note-taking (aka synthesizing on the fly) are certainly not the sole ways to acquire those skills, but they're a great way, cheap and easy (if boring).
Once again, all I'm saying is not that reading/writing is good per se (it's not), nor that those kids are dumber than reading/writing kids. I'm just saying that it's a huge loss for those kids because they're a lot less well prepared and equipped to compete against those other kids whose teachers and families want them to acquire those skills in a world that is highly competitive and that will be even more competitive.
Memorization is a failure.
As a general rule, I tend to steer away from slogans and from black or white definitions (things like 'either you're with us or you're against us') type of definitions.
The real question should be: what's the purpose of educating kids (why the fuck do we force them to waste their younger years sitting for hours in classrooms instead of, say, enjoy playing outside all day long). Only then we should feel allowed to discuss the best best (and worst) ways to achieve that.
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Lemmy is as much of a cesspool as Twitter, but left-tinted.
I have to upvote for being one of the few giving a good answer to the prompt, regardless of my lack of agreement.
