Age check
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At least she could legally buy a drink. The epstien victims were too young for student driver learning permits.
no one's saying Epstein's victims, some of whom were likely Clinton's as well, got a better deal.
they're saying this was hardly consensual, which was the claim by the top level comment.
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The penis..?
You. Principle's office. Now
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For anyone looking for more history around this, the economist have a podcast series called Boom!
And for general shit about the worst-behaved presidents, I recommend Very Presidential with Ashley Flowers. It's a short series of 15 episodes but gives a good idea of all the shit that happened in the White House.
When we talk about “presidential conduct,” we usually mean dignity and leadership. We don’t usually talk about the all-night ragers, blackmail schemes, and drug-induced decisions made in very important meetings! But maybe we should talk about all of that.[...] It’s a lot wilder than anything you learned in history class, and the scariest part is, it’s all true.
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I hope Trump is the last Boomer President.
It's like the boomers last gasp to really fuck EVERYTHING up once and for all.
The youngest Boomer is 61. There are plenty of 61-year-olds I'd vote for, and older. For instance, I'd still vote for Bernie--just get him in office, it doesn't matter how long he lives. Conversely, there are plenty of under-40-year-olds I would not vote for. The problem has nothing to do with age. There are a lot of 20-something MAGAs.
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do you think you'd laugh if a clown sucked you off?
Depends on the clown. For sure.
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You know, for all of his other just horrible antics, he wasn't a bad guy. Just a bit too Andy Kaufman.
What he do? All I know is Em told me he humped a dead moose.
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Most portraits have two people in them. The subject and the photographer. Duh!
Real ones know there are three people in this picture
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She was a grown ass woman dude. This whole gen-z infantilization of 20 something year olds is ridiculous.
Like do you seriously not understand that women also find men attractive? /s
If she came out and said it was non consensual than colour me incorrect. Otherwise you're just being a prude like the rest of society that did the actual harm in this situation.
Prefrontal Cortex.
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I think it's alright to hold both of them accountable for infidelity in a social sense. Clinton being the more responsible as the man in the marriage, but Monica knew he was married. I can't see a moral argument to not hold her accountable for this as well (again, socially, not legally). They were both adults. I don't think the age difference or power dynamic lets either of them off of the hook, even though it would make the then-President comparatively more in the wrong.
I think it's more alright to have punished Clinton for lying (under oath, right?). Even if I don't think it made sense to ask him about sexual relations, he still lied about it. I don't think there's any legal issue with what Monica did.
I'm glad she's speaking up against bullying nowadays.
I didn't follow each update on this situation while it was going on, so if you think I missed an important point that would change my mind, I'm open to considering it.
The issue here is that on Monica's side the punishment was disproportionate. She isn't some rich, powerful person who could withdraw to her ivory tower. She was 22 and made the kind of mistake 22 year olds make and that is what she gets to be known for forever. Think about a 22 year old in your life and the resources they have at their disposal. She went back to her parents place, buried herself away from the world and tried not to commit suicide as all of media took turns making jokes about her being an easy slut. Her day to day life for decades was virtually destroyed with her being barely able to form a career or new relationships. She stopped being a person and endured a prison without a cage.
Clinton got a formalized process and quietly withdrew into absurd wealth while the media by turns gave him largely a pass for being a dog once the process of getting him out of office was done.
Whatever Gods or Devils punished Lewinski they've exacted their due ages ago and kicking people who have already hit the floor hard isn't morally healthy. Nobody needs to continue to hold Lewinski accountable anymore. She served her time.
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Bill Clinton and John Cena
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Yea it's called consent. Not every power imbalance is automatically coercive. Society should be punished for being such prudes... they'd probably find they like it.
It was the god damn president of the United States of America. That's a fucking power imbalance if I've ever heard one.
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The penis..?
Yes... but also the massive media shitshow at making her look like a giant slut who fucks her way to the top.
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The youngest Boomer is 61. There are plenty of 61-year-olds I'd vote for, and older. For instance, I'd still vote for Bernie--just get him in office, it doesn't matter how long he lives. Conversely, there are plenty of under-40-year-olds I would not vote for. The problem has nothing to do with age. There are a lot of 20-something MAGAs.
Bernie is absolutely still viable. JD Vance, however, is millennial and I wouldn't want him polishing my shoes.
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The women with Louis CK said it was not consensual. Monica said she didn't understand how inappropriate it was, but it was consensual. That is the difference here.
And what did we as a society do? We lambasted him for being weird and not understanding that dynamic, and his career has yet to really recover.
To the benefit of absolutely fucking nobody; especially Monica.
Like not only did you guys embarrass yourself on the national stage, give fuel to the right wing media apparatus, subject Monica to a life of infamy, undermine the progress of your own administration; you guys accomplished fuck all for real victims of sexual violence ... or else why would you be bringing up Louis CK?
Consensual means we have no basis for demanding he stand trial for rape. Squeaking past that bar doesn't say anything good about his moral character. He should not have been impeached, but he should have been run out of the Democratic party on a rail.
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I've decided that the wholesome interpretation that absolutely everyone would have been fine with is that he is pregnant.
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I miss when the president's sex scandals involved two adults
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Can we not make joke about Monica? She got horribly treated by the public while he is the only one who should have been punished.
She is fighting bullying and she is pretty cool for that.
Agreed. Poor woman basically had to flee to the UK and go into hiding. She's been surprisingly resilient, all things considered.
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Well, there aren't. She is below the camera angle.
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Holy hell this man is never going to live this one down
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Yea it's called consent. Not every power imbalance is automatically coercive. Society should be punished for being such prudes... they'd probably find they like it.
Not every power imbalance is automatically coercive.
The problem is that power imbalances make it impossible to establish consent:
- The underling has no guarantee that refusing will not result in retribution.
- The superior has no way to know if the underling's agreement is true consent or if it was out of fear of retribution.
