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  • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

    Yeah but fewer people get the references

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    They didn't get most references in the 80s/90s either... this is the reason why nerds seemed weird...

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    • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

      Portal the game, or Portal the TV series from TechTV?

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      Or Portal the Australian death metal band?

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      • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

        Patrick. Leo was waaaay too pompous.

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        I've spent the entire day wondering WTF portal variant is being referenced here. 😅

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          And the music of Weird Al

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            The key distinction here is your will. The will of these people is unkown. Their consent is unkown. If you're looking at the skulls for sale on the bone room for example, they don't even know the specific age of most of the skulls and are forced to guess within a range. If they don't even know how old they are how can they know with any certainty the circumstances of their death? Where in the world can you just find an unclaimed skull to sell? What are the chances that these skulls aren't the skulls of poor people, or otherwise disenfranchised people? It doesn't take much imagination to draw the conclusion that the ethics surrounding the buying and selling of human skulls, and then destroying them for no other reason than the momentary entertainment of of the global 1% is at the very best a grey area.

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            I think you have an incredibly romantic view of human death, and I don't particularly want to disabuse you of that. So in that spirit, I will spare you the full gory details of what happens to donated human remains / medical cadavers.

            Full Disclosure: In my personal collection I own a number of human bones (most but decidedly not all) given to me by the friend who's bones they were. I use the fingers as a fidget toy sometimes. Also, the persecution of cannibalism is one of the great crimes of the western world. I include these to amuse characterize myself and, hopefully by extension, my explanations below.

            To answer your questions:

            ::: spoiler If they don’t even know how old they are

            The reason stores like The Bone Room do not have personal or demographic information on the remains they sell is because medical cadavers are anonymized. The Bone Room respects that, even in cases where they have purchased bones with a known provenance, and the topic is extremely complex. In short however, this means that the morality of the remains being sold is almost entirely dependent on the reputability of the person selling the remains, and retailers are comprehensively vetted and monitored because of this (there are obviously exceptions, but they are immensely rare).
            :::

            ::: spoiler [...] how can they know with any certainty the circumstances of their death?

            It is extremely rare for educational remains to be initially sold as parts (though there are of course examples where it did happen). In the wild and vast majority of cases, an individual bone is the result of donated remains being reduced over time through repeated dissections to the point that only the bones are left. Because of this, it is safe to say that medical cadavers are the most exhaustively inspected remains on the planet, and signs of foul play would undoubtedly be noticed (there are quite a few examples of this).
            :::

            ::: spoiler Where in the world can you just find an unclaimed skull to sell?

            China and India were the sources of most modern medical remains, though both countries have stopped the export of human remains. While yes, I cannot deny that there were instances where questionable methods were used to obtain the remains (the term is 'anatomy murder'), I only know of two specific examples off the top of my head. The first is the Burke/Hare murders, which were committed during the early 1800s, and the second is the very famous Body Worlds exhibit (and hoo boy is that horrifying). Both of these were the impetus for sweeping global legislation to prevent similar situations, and Body Worlds is the primary reason China stopped exporting medical cadavers (because, and I am being uncharitable, it is hard to credibly deny your crimes against political prisoners when you ship the bodies of said prisoners to western countries with bullet holes in their skulls).
            :::

            ::: spoiler What are the chances that these skulls aren’t the skulls of poor people [...] ?

            Aside from cadavers sourced from india and china (which again are no longer allowing the export of educational corpses), the remaining remains on the market come from legitimate pre-mortis consent given by the former owner of the parts in question. There are many, many examples of this - leaving your body to medicine/science is quite common in the US, and is an absolutely vital part of our medical infrastructure, and is generally considered a very noble choice to make. It is important to explain here that medical cadavers in the US are shown a degree of respect that can quite accurately be described as veneration, and disrespect of donated remains is emphatically not tolerated. And while US-sourced medical remains are rare to see sold outside of a medical context (US law is extremely strict on this matter), it does happen. I urge you to consider why you think this would not happen in other cultures, or why they would not have similar attitudes towards body donation and donated bodies.

            A specific example of a non-western attitude towards funeral practices (and oh boy is that a complex topic) would be memorial Japmala beads - a Nepalese tradition whereby Japmala (kinda like a rosary but for asian-originating religions) are made from bones donated to the temple by a (usually devout) person and are thence sold to raise funds. While done with consent, remains sourced from this practice are not infrequently sold for medical use on the condition that when the bodies are reduced to bones, they be returned to the temple. If some are removed, or missing (say, because they are a good example of some condition), or they were destroyed as part of their work, this isn't objectionable - so long as the remains are treated with respect, it's seen as benefiting the community as a whole.

            This does not specifically translate in this case, but I've included it as an example of ethical sourcing of remains that really does not gel with traditional western views on the subject.

            :::

            And two brief points:

            ::: spoiler It doesn’t take much imagination to draw the conclusion that the ethics surrounding the buying and selling of human skulls [...] ?

            I can imagine a great many awful things, but that does not mean they are happening. This specific argument has really irritated me, in a way that I strongly suspect is unfair.

            :::

            ::: spoiler [...] than the momentary entertainment of of the global 1% [...]

            Mythbusters began almost a quarter century ago, and has had an outsized impact on science literacy and education. I think it's unfair to characterize this as mere passing entertainment for the global 1% (and additionally it totally ignores the US' cultural hegemony). Although certainly not a traditional use of human remains, the fact that we are still having a discussion about the topic twenty years later as a result of the episode could easily be argued to be a sign of the great impact the show has had on culture in general and thus tautologically justifies its own existence.

            :::


            Alright, hopefully that was less tiring to read than it was to write.

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              Youre very welcome to hold your incorrect opinion but please do not try to ruin other peoples fun. You could also tell us why you have your still very wrong opinion

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              God lotr fans are insufferable.

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                I would add Kids in the Hall.

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                  STOP DOXXING ME!!!

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                    Youre very welcome to hold your incorrect opinion but please do not try to ruin other peoples fun. You could also tell us why you have your still very wrong opinion

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                    I don't need to justify my comment to you. I said what I said and now a bunch of yall are acting like the sistine chapel roof is collapsing. It's mediocre at best, 12 hours of dudes larping like dorks

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                      My son wants to "game" like most other kids at his class. So I got an old laptop, installed linux mint on it with dosbox. He loves lemmings, the incredible machine 2 and rollercoaster tycoon

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                        God lotr fans are insufferable.

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                        A 40k fan dissing LotR fans, who could have predicted?

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                          I think you have an incredibly romantic view of human death, and I don't particularly want to disabuse you of that. So in that spirit, I will spare you the full gory details of what happens to donated human remains / medical cadavers.

                          Full Disclosure: In my personal collection I own a number of human bones (most but decidedly not all) given to me by the friend who's bones they were. I use the fingers as a fidget toy sometimes. Also, the persecution of cannibalism is one of the great crimes of the western world. I include these to amuse characterize myself and, hopefully by extension, my explanations below.

                          To answer your questions:

                          ::: spoiler If they don’t even know how old they are

                          The reason stores like The Bone Room do not have personal or demographic information on the remains they sell is because medical cadavers are anonymized. The Bone Room respects that, even in cases where they have purchased bones with a known provenance, and the topic is extremely complex. In short however, this means that the morality of the remains being sold is almost entirely dependent on the reputability of the person selling the remains, and retailers are comprehensively vetted and monitored because of this (there are obviously exceptions, but they are immensely rare).
                          :::

                          ::: spoiler [...] how can they know with any certainty the circumstances of their death?

                          It is extremely rare for educational remains to be initially sold as parts (though there are of course examples where it did happen). In the wild and vast majority of cases, an individual bone is the result of donated remains being reduced over time through repeated dissections to the point that only the bones are left. Because of this, it is safe to say that medical cadavers are the most exhaustively inspected remains on the planet, and signs of foul play would undoubtedly be noticed (there are quite a few examples of this).
                          :::

                          ::: spoiler Where in the world can you just find an unclaimed skull to sell?

                          China and India were the sources of most modern medical remains, though both countries have stopped the export of human remains. While yes, I cannot deny that there were instances where questionable methods were used to obtain the remains (the term is 'anatomy murder'), I only know of two specific examples off the top of my head. The first is the Burke/Hare murders, which were committed during the early 1800s, and the second is the very famous Body Worlds exhibit (and hoo boy is that horrifying). Both of these were the impetus for sweeping global legislation to prevent similar situations, and Body Worlds is the primary reason China stopped exporting medical cadavers (because, and I am being uncharitable, it is hard to credibly deny your crimes against political prisoners when you ship the bodies of said prisoners to western countries with bullet holes in their skulls).
                          :::

                          ::: spoiler What are the chances that these skulls aren’t the skulls of poor people [...] ?

                          Aside from cadavers sourced from india and china (which again are no longer allowing the export of educational corpses), the remaining remains on the market come from legitimate pre-mortis consent given by the former owner of the parts in question. There are many, many examples of this - leaving your body to medicine/science is quite common in the US, and is an absolutely vital part of our medical infrastructure, and is generally considered a very noble choice to make. It is important to explain here that medical cadavers in the US are shown a degree of respect that can quite accurately be described as veneration, and disrespect of donated remains is emphatically not tolerated. And while US-sourced medical remains are rare to see sold outside of a medical context (US law is extremely strict on this matter), it does happen. I urge you to consider why you think this would not happen in other cultures, or why they would not have similar attitudes towards body donation and donated bodies.

                          A specific example of a non-western attitude towards funeral practices (and oh boy is that a complex topic) would be memorial Japmala beads - a Nepalese tradition whereby Japmala (kinda like a rosary but for asian-originating religions) are made from bones donated to the temple by a (usually devout) person and are thence sold to raise funds. While done with consent, remains sourced from this practice are not infrequently sold for medical use on the condition that when the bodies are reduced to bones, they be returned to the temple. If some are removed, or missing (say, because they are a good example of some condition), or they were destroyed as part of their work, this isn't objectionable - so long as the remains are treated with respect, it's seen as benefiting the community as a whole.

                          This does not specifically translate in this case, but I've included it as an example of ethical sourcing of remains that really does not gel with traditional western views on the subject.

                          :::

                          And two brief points:

                          ::: spoiler It doesn’t take much imagination to draw the conclusion that the ethics surrounding the buying and selling of human skulls [...] ?

                          I can imagine a great many awful things, but that does not mean they are happening. This specific argument has really irritated me, in a way that I strongly suspect is unfair.

                          :::

                          ::: spoiler [...] than the momentary entertainment of of the global 1% [...]

                          Mythbusters began almost a quarter century ago, and has had an outsized impact on science literacy and education. I think it's unfair to characterize this as mere passing entertainment for the global 1% (and additionally it totally ignores the US' cultural hegemony). Although certainly not a traditional use of human remains, the fact that we are still having a discussion about the topic twenty years later as a result of the episode could easily be argued to be a sign of the great impact the show has had on culture in general and thus tautologically justifies its own existence.

                          :::


                          Alright, hopefully that was less tiring to read than it was to write.

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                          I agree with you in general but cannibalism is actually bad because prion disease. Not eating other people makes sense for simply health reasons.

                          I mean I still think if everyone involved consents it should be allowed, but there's a good reason we don't like it as a society.

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                            This is what I mean when I say I'm teaching my kids Python

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                              I think you have an incredibly romantic view of human death, and I don't particularly want to disabuse you of that. So in that spirit, I will spare you the full gory details of what happens to donated human remains / medical cadavers.

                              Full Disclosure: In my personal collection I own a number of human bones (most but decidedly not all) given to me by the friend who's bones they were. I use the fingers as a fidget toy sometimes. Also, the persecution of cannibalism is one of the great crimes of the western world. I include these to amuse characterize myself and, hopefully by extension, my explanations below.

                              To answer your questions:

                              ::: spoiler If they don’t even know how old they are

                              The reason stores like The Bone Room do not have personal or demographic information on the remains they sell is because medical cadavers are anonymized. The Bone Room respects that, even in cases where they have purchased bones with a known provenance, and the topic is extremely complex. In short however, this means that the morality of the remains being sold is almost entirely dependent on the reputability of the person selling the remains, and retailers are comprehensively vetted and monitored because of this (there are obviously exceptions, but they are immensely rare).
                              :::

                              ::: spoiler [...] how can they know with any certainty the circumstances of their death?

                              It is extremely rare for educational remains to be initially sold as parts (though there are of course examples where it did happen). In the wild and vast majority of cases, an individual bone is the result of donated remains being reduced over time through repeated dissections to the point that only the bones are left. Because of this, it is safe to say that medical cadavers are the most exhaustively inspected remains on the planet, and signs of foul play would undoubtedly be noticed (there are quite a few examples of this).
                              :::

                              ::: spoiler Where in the world can you just find an unclaimed skull to sell?

                              China and India were the sources of most modern medical remains, though both countries have stopped the export of human remains. While yes, I cannot deny that there were instances where questionable methods were used to obtain the remains (the term is 'anatomy murder'), I only know of two specific examples off the top of my head. The first is the Burke/Hare murders, which were committed during the early 1800s, and the second is the very famous Body Worlds exhibit (and hoo boy is that horrifying). Both of these were the impetus for sweeping global legislation to prevent similar situations, and Body Worlds is the primary reason China stopped exporting medical cadavers (because, and I am being uncharitable, it is hard to credibly deny your crimes against political prisoners when you ship the bodies of said prisoners to western countries with bullet holes in their skulls).
                              :::

                              ::: spoiler What are the chances that these skulls aren’t the skulls of poor people [...] ?

                              Aside from cadavers sourced from india and china (which again are no longer allowing the export of educational corpses), the remaining remains on the market come from legitimate pre-mortis consent given by the former owner of the parts in question. There are many, many examples of this - leaving your body to medicine/science is quite common in the US, and is an absolutely vital part of our medical infrastructure, and is generally considered a very noble choice to make. It is important to explain here that medical cadavers in the US are shown a degree of respect that can quite accurately be described as veneration, and disrespect of donated remains is emphatically not tolerated. And while US-sourced medical remains are rare to see sold outside of a medical context (US law is extremely strict on this matter), it does happen. I urge you to consider why you think this would not happen in other cultures, or why they would not have similar attitudes towards body donation and donated bodies.

                              A specific example of a non-western attitude towards funeral practices (and oh boy is that a complex topic) would be memorial Japmala beads - a Nepalese tradition whereby Japmala (kinda like a rosary but for asian-originating religions) are made from bones donated to the temple by a (usually devout) person and are thence sold to raise funds. While done with consent, remains sourced from this practice are not infrequently sold for medical use on the condition that when the bodies are reduced to bones, they be returned to the temple. If some are removed, or missing (say, because they are a good example of some condition), or they were destroyed as part of their work, this isn't objectionable - so long as the remains are treated with respect, it's seen as benefiting the community as a whole.

                              This does not specifically translate in this case, but I've included it as an example of ethical sourcing of remains that really does not gel with traditional western views on the subject.

                              :::

                              And two brief points:

                              ::: spoiler It doesn’t take much imagination to draw the conclusion that the ethics surrounding the buying and selling of human skulls [...] ?

                              I can imagine a great many awful things, but that does not mean they are happening. This specific argument has really irritated me, in a way that I strongly suspect is unfair.

                              :::

                              ::: spoiler [...] than the momentary entertainment of of the global 1% [...]

                              Mythbusters began almost a quarter century ago, and has had an outsized impact on science literacy and education. I think it's unfair to characterize this as mere passing entertainment for the global 1% (and additionally it totally ignores the US' cultural hegemony). Although certainly not a traditional use of human remains, the fact that we are still having a discussion about the topic twenty years later as a result of the episode could easily be argued to be a sign of the great impact the show has had on culture in general and thus tautologically justifies its own existence.

                              :::


                              Alright, hopefully that was less tiring to read than it was to write.

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                              I don't think it's an "incredibly romantic" position to wonder if it's disrespectful or scientifically necessary to wrap a human skull in pig skin and then punch it with a robotic fist until it collapses for television.

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                                My son wants to "game" like most other kids at his class. So I got an old laptop, installed linux mint on it with dosbox. He loves lemmings, the incredible machine 2 and rollercoaster tycoon

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                                Omg the Incredible Machine!!!! Where can I play it, its been so long!

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                                  Nah, Life of Brian was just decent commentary. Holy Grail was silly in a pointless way that resonated with Nerd Boys in the 2000s.

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                                  We grew up to appreciate Life of Brian more but you're right

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                                    I don't think it's an "incredibly romantic" position to wonder if it's disrespectful or scientifically necessary to wrap a human skull in pig skin and then punch it with a robotic fist until it collapses for television.

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                                    Nnnno, you can hold that position independent of your feelings towards death. I am curious why you think it's unnecessary to do that, though. It's (relatively) common to use human remains for destructive testing in all manner of experiments. Is the problem that they're filming it instead of publishing the skull fracture patterns of knapped stone clubs in the journal of archeology? This really isn't any worse than, say, seeing how long it takes for human remains to fully liquefy when sealed in plastic and subjected to various conditions (more importantly, the rate at which organs decay while submerged in that soup). Is it worse than melting regions of a body with acid to test a theoretical new skin-grafting technique? Flaying their skin and muscles from the bone then macerating it to a homogeneous mixture to test for microplastic distribution rates in the 35-40 Indonesian Female demographic? Anything that happens to remains on a body farm? Those are all real examples. Thinking what they did is somehow worse than what bodies normally go through, that's the romantic view of death I was referring to.

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                                      Hey, not extinct! There are dozens of us

                                      Also don’t forget MST3K and Lord of the Rings!

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                                      Its never to early to read The Hobbit to get someone a lifelong addiction to the LoTR. I was trying for in-utero but my wife was not interested.

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                                        Click a picture of the little guy each and every day to show them later how things were when they were growing up. You can use something like DD-DigitalDiary
                                        Otherwise these memories will be lost forever. And it has better privacy than all other google slop

                                        Also i would suggest Audiobooks. Lots o them available for Free. In Youtube or Pitrats software. To learn how to act and live in life

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                                          Don't forget futurama and star trek

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                                          Specifically Star Trek: Elite Force and Futurama (Video Game)

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