[Gamers Nexus] The RTX 50 Disaster
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I can't wait for Intel to step up their game and for AMD to reengage. We really need the competition.
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I'm looking for a new gaming laptop. It's impossible to find any with an AMD GPU here.
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Well I don't game on Windows, so their Windows drivers could still suck. But I used to on my RX 6800 XT before switching to Linux, and I did not have driver problems with Windows at all.
My son had a 5X00 gen card, and he can't wait to get away from AMD because of driver issues he's having all the time, when playing LoL in Windows. I'm having a hard time convincing him to make his next card AMD because of that, even with all of the current Nvidia shenanigans going on. So, I do get where you're coming from, drivers wise.
But all I can vouch for reliably is that my all AMD rig with a RX 6800 XT card works great, no driver issues/crashes. My biggest headache is sometimes having to select a different version of Proton for when I'm playing a game (thank god for protondb.com).
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I dual boot and can confirm the drivers on Windows are perfectly fine (I have a 7800XT). There is still a jank factor with the included gui and you have to stop windows from auto "updating" (actually a downgrade) the graphics drivers because windows sucks ass.
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AMD seriously needs to start taking driver support seriously.
That's been an issue for them in the past, but not recently. Last I heard, the quality of their drivers has improved allot from two generations ago.
I game on an all-AMD Linux (Fedora/KDE) rig, and I haven't had one crash with any game that I play (via Steam/Proton).
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What does that have to do with AMD's driver support? AMD's Linux Vulkan driver (AMDVLK) was so late and bad that Red Hat and Valve had to make their own (RADV), which is the default in Fedora and SteamOS. AMD's first party drivers are still garbage.
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I can't wait for Intel to step up their game and for AMD to reengage. We really need the competition.
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AMD seriously needs to start taking driver support seriously.
That's been an issue for them in the past, but not recently. Last I heard, the quality of their drivers has improved allot from two generations ago.
I game on an all-AMD Linux (Fedora/KDE) rig, and I haven't had one crash with any game that I play (via Steam/Proton).
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IDK if people over exaggerate but I honestly had more issues with NVIDIA driver on GTX 1080ti and RTX 3060ti than I had with my RX 6800 XT.
All issues could be mostly resolved with workarounds on both AMD and NVIDIA. The NVIDIA issues were actually more annoying as I had issues outside of games.
In conclusion, all GPU vendors have issues. NVIDIA is not the perfect guy, people just learned to ignore their issue or work around them.
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I'm sure that's never occurred to them before, and that they're incredibly thankful for your input.
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IDK if people over exaggerate but I honestly had more issues with NVIDIA driver on GTX 1080ti and RTX 3060ti than I had with my RX 6800 XT.
All issues could be mostly resolved with workarounds on both AMD and NVIDIA. The NVIDIA issues were actually more annoying as I had issues outside of games.
In conclusion, all GPU vendors have issues. NVIDIA is not the perfect guy, people just learned to ignore their issue or work around them.
Same. My 6700XT is solid as a rock playing games through Proton and doing a bit of light AI work on the side.
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Not a fan of the phrase "virtue signalling" but this is absolutely that.
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Intel has great hardware in the Intel Arc. The biggest problem is their shitty drivers.
Their drivers are getting there. I have not heard many bad things about Battlemage's driver support beyond typical launch day bumps, and would consider buying one myself now honestly.
Their biggest weakness is that their entire architecture is built around dx12 and Vulcan, it has NO hardware level support for dx11/9 or older graphics API's. The largest problem Arc had at launch was it would run modern games decently, but even games a few years old would run at single digit framerates (if at all!) as their driver tried to translate older api draw calls into a newer API, and very poorly at that. They've apparently vastly improved that translation layer by now so it's no longer a problem.
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AMD seriously needs to start taking driver support seriously.
Both my dad and myself have (begrudgingly) moved to Nvidia because we both got hit with constant driver timeout crashes. My dad also got rapidly flashing black and green screens countless times. I use my PC for work purposes so that kind of crap is unacceptable; I need absolute reliability that I can depend on.
Myself and so many other customers would love to see better bang-for-buck options in the GPU space like the good old days, but AMD really needs to sort this shit out. Intel has the excuse of being a brand new player that is working entirely from scratch, but AMD has been in the GPU game for decades and should know better. I mean, christ, their CPU division is basically printing money right now.
I'm not gonna lie, if you're having continuous driver timeouts that's probably a personal Windows issue. I had some issues with my 7900xtx until I just fresh installed Windows (despite the install only being a month old) and all those problems magically went away.
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Their drivers are getting there. I have not heard many bad things about Battlemage's driver support beyond typical launch day bumps, and would consider buying one myself now honestly.
Their biggest weakness is that their entire architecture is built around dx12 and Vulcan, it has NO hardware level support for dx11/9 or older graphics API's. The largest problem Arc had at launch was it would run modern games decently, but even games a few years old would run at single digit framerates (if at all!) as their driver tried to translate older api draw calls into a newer API, and very poorly at that. They've apparently vastly improved that translation layer by now so it's no longer a problem.
IIRC Intel is using DXVK for their drivers on Windows. Not sure if that ever changed.
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What does that have to do with AMD's driver support? AMD's Linux Vulkan driver (AMDVLK) was so late and bad that Red Hat and Valve had to make their own (RADV), which is the default in Fedora and SteamOS. AMD's first party drivers are still garbage.
FYI, you can run RADV in Windows using an experimental patch: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/29945
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IIRC Intel is using DXVK for their drivers on Windows. Not sure if that ever changed.
Exactly. I don't think it's that there is "no hardware level support for dx11/9" - hardware isn't really drastically different depending on API. The problem is that they introduce an additional software-based emulation layer instead of natively implementing D3D 8/9/10/11.
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Exactly. I don't think it's that there is "no hardware level support for dx11/9" - hardware isn't really drastically different depending on API. The problem is that they introduce an additional software-based emulation layer instead of natively implementing D3D 8/9/10/11.
Yes, but DXVK is a very, very good translation layer and is very performant. I can vouch for it as a Linux user who uses it on a regular basis.
Some people even use DXVK to make older games run better on Windows (most notably GTA IV)
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IDK if people over exaggerate but I honestly had more issues with NVIDIA driver on GTX 1080ti and RTX 3060ti than I had with my RX 6800 XT.
All issues could be mostly resolved with workarounds on both AMD and NVIDIA. The NVIDIA issues were actually more annoying as I had issues outside of games.
In conclusion, all GPU vendors have issues. NVIDIA is not the perfect guy, people just learned to ignore their issue or work around them.
You're not wrong (as someone who has owned both cards) but lets be honest here, two generations ago AMD had HOORIBLE drivers/support, like epic-level WTFness bad.
They had a hole they dug themselves into to dig out of, and I believe they have, and then some. But they are still battling that negative rep from that time. Some people still see them in that "hole", flailing about, which is what I was initially pushing back against with the OP, to say that AMD is no longer in that hole.
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What does that have to do with AMD's driver support? AMD's Linux Vulkan driver (AMDVLK) was so late and bad that Red Hat and Valve had to make their own (RADV), which is the default in Fedora and SteamOS. AMD's first party drivers are still garbage.
AMD’s first party drivers are still garbage.
As I mentioned in my comment you replied to, I use Linux, and not Windows, so can't speak (today) towards AMD's Windows drivers.
For me, I let Linux worry about the drivers, so I don't have to.
Best decision I've ever made, PC build wise. So nice to get away from NVidia and not worry about graphics drivers.
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I'm looking for a new gaming laptop. It's impossible to find any with an AMD GPU here.
I did a search on "gaming laptop with amd gpu" in DuckDuckGo and got THIS link that listed gaming laptops.
I'm sure that if you take more time than you did to reply to me to look for them, you'd find them.
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I did a search on "gaming laptop with amd gpu" in DuckDuckGo and got THIS link that listed gaming laptops.
I'm sure that if you take more time than you did to reply to me to look for them, you'd find them.
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Except that none of the major retailers in my country sell these.
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Except that none of the major retailers in my country sell these.
Which country is that?
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Which country is that?
The Netherlands. I checked a lot of major retailers like CoolBlue, MediaMarkt, Informatique, etc. The only radeons are low budget ones.
