SteamOS massively beats Windows on the Legion Go S
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I don’t find arguing semantics to be very productive, which I think is the reason you are being downvoted. The differences between SteamOS and Windows on the Legion Go are very significant, with SteamOS gaining as much as hours of extra gameplay, in addition to modest performance gains and major improvements to usability and quality of life. And yes, the Windows tax is very much a part of the big picture even if it’s not mentioned in the article. With Windows preloaded, you are paying $100-200 more for a significantly worse product. I don’t see any reason to engage in Windows apologetics over this, especially here.
I'm sorry who is engaging in windows apologetics? Not me frfr
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An improvement of 5-10 fps doesn't seem like a lot, but it's like buying a newer gen graphics card, at least for some games. Or what you would achieve with a medium to substantial overclock. In this case it's just the OS though. Just the software.
You care so much about glorifying linux everything else falls away.
What else? Nitpicking at the use of words in news articles?
What I'm personally more skeptic about is the actual numbers. We don't have benchmarks. We just have this one table that shows fps, and no 1% and 0.1%s.
My nitpicking or did I say the word massively isn't really applicable here?
It's really been interesting to read all the comments here. People here are very personally invested in their OS of choice on their gaming handheld.
I mean we see the whole gamut here that stickman argument talking about things I never mentioned, etc etc etc
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only one proselytizing anything here is you, bud.
and you seem to be proselytizing for windows with how insistent you are to try to handwave and rugsweep the increases in performance and usability
Buddy get over yourself. Geez, it's so clear that people just love the mobthink around here regarding Linux.
Feel free to take a second look at any of the comments I made in this thread and tell me how many of them are regarding windows. Literally all of the other comments/commenters have been bringing up windows and 20 different things I never mentioned.
Also I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word you use twice mean so here's the definition.
I NEVER advocated for you or anyone to use windows over steamos. I just said the improvements weren't massive
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It's absolutely your right, and fine to disagree with the usage of the word "massive" in this context. It's not OK to insult people who disagree with you however.
It's OK for people to have differing opinions, and your initial comment was a good discussion starter. The edit complaining about it causing said discussion, saying "it's that simple," the subsequent post stating that you believed your opinion on the matter was the absolute truth based on the dictionary definition of the word "massive," and that any disagreement was insane in your opinion, is where I take umbrage. I hope you can see where I'm coming from.
I'm sorry that your comment has ultimately driven such a negative response, and I hope you are able to have a good day regardless.
I don't believe I edited any of my comments today but maybe I guess? In that same vein, did I say anything like "it's that simple". I did go back and read my comments just to be sure etc etc. I of course believe I'm correct (5-10% average performance/battery gains) don't count as massive.
We were talking about performance but now price is part of the package for some reason?
So many people responded to me and at least half of the responses had to with price and how that's massive!!
Anyways nah it's all good. It was annoying as heck earlier. But then I logged off lol. North worth the hassle
Cool beans, I hope you're having a nice evening by this point.
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I don't know the business negotiations of all that. But if you watch the video, Phawx basically uses one single command to lower the wattage on his Windows handheld and instantly triple the expected battery life. The underlying OS clearly supports it. Seems to me like the AMD driver just isn't detecting that the game has light power needs and so isn't throttling like it should.
As someone who does understand the business negotiations and software implementations, you have some of the issue correctly diagnosed but you're placing the responsibility on the wrong person lol.
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Buddy get over yourself. Geez, it's so clear that people just love the mobthink around here regarding Linux.
Feel free to take a second look at any of the comments I made in this thread and tell me how many of them are regarding windows. Literally all of the other comments/commenters have been bringing up windows and 20 different things I never mentioned.
Also I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word you use twice mean so here's the definition.
I NEVER advocated for you or anyone to use windows over steamos. I just said the improvements weren't massive
Buddy get over yourself
Buddy. Look at your behavior in the thread. You have multiple posts getting super offended and pissy over a news article about large gains in linux over windows for that hand held device.
Only one that needs to get over themselves is you.
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I don't believe I edited any of my comments today but maybe I guess? In that same vein, did I say anything like "it's that simple". I did go back and read my comments just to be sure etc etc. I of course believe I'm correct (5-10% average performance/battery gains) don't count as massive.
We were talking about performance but now price is part of the package for some reason?
So many people responded to me and at least half of the responses had to with price and how that's massive!!
Anyways nah it's all good. It was annoying as heck earlier. But then I logged off lol. North worth the hassle
Cool beans, I hope you're having a nice evening by this point.
I was referring to this specific edit to your initial comment:
Edit: geez this single comment brought more people out of the woodwork to respond to me than anything else I have commented on lemmy
I'm not even here arguing which one is better like come on now
Massively is the wrong word to use it's that simple
While I personally think that an average of over %10 FPS improvement in itself qualifies as massive in the current landscape, reasonable minds can absolutely disagree of course. The inclusion of price is just another layer of advantage, only bolstering the "massive" overall improvement.
I have been having a nice evening so far, thank you, and I hope you've been having the same.
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My nitpicking or did I say the word massively isn't really applicable here?
It's really been interesting to read all the comments here. People here are very personally invested in their OS of choice on their gaming handheld.
I mean we see the whole gamut here that stickman argument talking about things I never mentioned, etc etc etc
My nitpicking or did I say the word massively isn't really applicable here?
So, you wanna nitpick at that too? Fantastic
I mean we see the whole gamut here that stickman argument talking about things I never mentioned
There is no fucking way you aren't just a troll. Because we're on Lemmy I usually assume best intents, but all you have been doing so far is talking shit.
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Buddy get over yourself. Geez, it's so clear that people just love the mobthink around here regarding Linux.
Feel free to take a second look at any of the comments I made in this thread and tell me how many of them are regarding windows. Literally all of the other comments/commenters have been bringing up windows and 20 different things I never mentioned.
Also I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word you use twice mean so here's the definition.
I NEVER advocated for you or anyone to use windows over steamos. I just said the improvements weren't massive
As far as I can tell, no one has accused you of promoting Windows over Linux, but please feel free to correct me if I missed something.
I think the flak that you have been receiving is based on your perceived attitude, whether or not that perception is accurate. Many, perhaps most people in this thread, myself included, think that 10%+ FPS improvements can be accurately described as "massive." You can absolutely disagree in a reasonable and good faith manner.
My understanding and perception of your responses is that you not only disagree that the outlined improvements can possibly be described as "massive," but also that anyone who claims otherwise is a blind Linux shill, doesn't understand the definition of the word "massive," and is suffering from mob mentality.
Countering the argument, and not the messenger (e.g Buddy get over yourself. Geez) is a much more effective way to express your point.
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
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At some point in the future I'll come find you and remind you of what you took from me.
It's a date!
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It isn't bait, more of a reminder that no matter how many indie games run on Linux, Fortnite, the most popular shooter on earth, doesn't, and it will forever be a band-aid of cope to say "stop playing shit" every time someone brings it up.
People are basic and dumb, they love shit.
No shit? Guess I'll stay with Windows.
Who knew people so used to shit would want to continue enjoying it?
I think it's important to realise that Fortnite doesn't run because it's being actively prevented to tun on Linux by Epic, not because it couldn't run. It's not really fault of the Linux.
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As someone who does understand the business negotiations and software implementations, you have some of the issue correctly diagnosed but you're placing the responsibility on the wrong person lol.
Ok, glad to be wrong there and more than happy to blame Windows then. I ditched it completely a couple years ago and I've been enjoying Linux gaming ever since.
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
Nobody owes you shit
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn’t support those?
Hmmm maybe I'm missing something but doesn't Steam work on these? Doesn't Proton work on these? Doesn't KDE Plasma work too? Basically what's missing for you to consider it working if arguably the most important do work on it?
Asking as I use those 3 daily on my Debian desktop and... it just works. Anyway, back to play Clair Obscur, thanks a lot to Valve.
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
4090
Mind you that SteamOS doesn't support Nvidia GPUs.
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general
It kinda sounds like this isn't a product for you, then...and that's fine, but like, why comment haha.
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general or the Legion Go S specifically. I don't. How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn't support those? Then it can fuck off (for now).
I mean they've done a good thing in general but it requires such special hardware that it doesn't really deserve much praise. The whole attraction of Windows originally wasn't just "it has a GUI" it was, "I can buy a printer that works with Windows and a piece of software that works with Windows, and know that I will be able to print from that software, and so forth. Without that level of hardware support, SteamOS just isn't that exciting. Again, "Yet".
Bazzite works great on desktop. Really not that different.
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Does it being cheaper makes the performance difference bigger?
But just to be clear, it's completely free and it performs better?
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I mean that'd be neat if I gave a fuck about handhelds in general
It kinda sounds like this isn't a product for you, then...and that's fine, but like, why comment haha.
But then how would we hear about this person's valuable opinion? Do you want to live in a world where they don't share their ambivalence toward SteamOS and handheld gaming? God knows I don't. Thank goodness for this comment and I hope to hear more of their opinions on products they don't use it have interest in.
