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  • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

    This does feel like a bit of a double-standard to me. I’ve hated how Microsoft and Apple have introduced app stores on Windows and macOS and try to push people to only install from there instead of directly from the developer. And yet on Linux the advice seems to be never ever download directly from the developer; you should only download from the package repository provided by your OS (which sure feels like an App Store). And that package probably wasn’t even provided by the developer or the OS but some random volunteer that you just assume has good intentions.

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    If you used Linux before the repos were fully developed then you understand why they were created.

    Who else remembers "dependency hell?"

    Corpos just took the same idea and twisted it into something else.

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      I strongly disagree. There is absolutely a use case for my mom not needing me to wipe her phone every time she tries to get Duolingo or whatever.

      There is no scenario where an entire segment of devices should be locked to two companies having full control of what software can run worldwide, though. That part demands regulatory intervention.

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      • diplomjodler3@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

        We really really need an open OS for mobile phones that is actually competitive with commercial offerings.

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        Doesn’t android allow this?

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          nudging the EU with a stick
          Come on, do something

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          They are, they are banning bootloader unlocking, a requirement to get out of corporate hell.

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          • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

            This does feel like a bit of a double-standard to me. I’ve hated how Microsoft and Apple have introduced app stores on Windows and macOS and try to push people to only install from there instead of directly from the developer. And yet on Linux the advice seems to be never ever download directly from the developer; you should only download from the package repository provided by your OS (which sure feels like an App Store). And that package probably wasn’t even provided by the developer or the OS but some random volunteer that you just assume has good intentions.

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            The key difference is that one is advised, the other is enforced.

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              nudging the EU with a stick
              Come on, do something

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              Plot twist: EU enacts Chat Control.

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                They are, they are banning bootloader unlocking, a requirement to get out of corporate hell.

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                Fucking what

                Edit:

                Might not be the case afterall:
                https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24601-eu-is-banning-bootloaders-unlock

                Verification by radio equipment of the compliance of its combination with software should not be abused in order to prevent its use with software provided by independent parties.

                we do not expect any issues for GrapheneOS

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                • venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV [email protected]

                  My feed is curated by the Illuminati

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                  they are everywhere one just has to learn how to read the signs 🔝🔜⚛️

                  (/s)

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                    https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/115093185284473606

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                    What is this post even saying? It's a completely reasonable word and it predates Android. There's no reason to force a negative connotation on it

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                    • miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]

                      REMOVE SHOES BEFORE BOOTING ANDROID.

                      meme with android robot logo captioned 'remove shoes before booting

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                      Unless you pay extra for Android pre-check. Get the right credit card and you can get it for free, plus lounge access!

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                        Plot twist: EU enacts Chat Control.

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                        It was said you were to destroy the Sith, not join them!

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                          One person's inability to use a common device is not an excuse to make it worse for everyone else.

                          My parents are pretty incompetent when it comes to tech, but it wasn't difficult for them to understand not to install random shit and call if in doubt.

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                            Doesn’t android allow this?

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                            That's what the OP is referring to: Google just announced they will do their best to kill off sideloading.

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                              You're right that there's value in having a software repository with "vetted" apps in it. And at the same time, there's a difference between "here's stuff we've done some kind of due diligence on" and "you aren't allowed to install anything we haven't okayed." That's what Apple and now Google are doing.

                              (I also think there's value in having a word like "sideload" to describe the action of installing software not in a repository. It's just that it's tied up now in this paternal attitude from the big companies)

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                                One person's inability to use a common device is not an excuse to make it worse for everyone else.

                                My parents are pretty incompetent when it comes to tech, but it wasn't difficult for them to understand not to install random shit and call if in doubt.

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                                It's not one person, it's the vast majority of the userbase.

                                Which, to be clear, is again not a reason to have a duopoly decide what software can be made or executed in the first place. It's fine to have Google decide what the Play store will carry, and it's even fine for Android devices to require a manual bypass to run unsigned software. It's not fine for Apple and Google (and I guess Huawei by necessity) to have final arbitrary say on what software is acceptable on all handheld mobile devices.

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                                  That's a moron take. Plenty of people have no business downloading random apps. It takes all of 15 seconds with a Google search to side load. It's a fucking idiot test.

                                  But yeah I'm sure if this check weren't there people would flock to fdroid 🙄

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                                    That's a moron take. Plenty of people have no business downloading random apps. It takes all of 15 seconds with a Google search to side load. It's a fucking idiot test.

                                    But yeah I'm sure if this check weren't there people would flock to fdroid 🙄

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                                    I think this is referring to recent news that google is trying to ban non-google-play installs (aka: sideloading)

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                                      People cannot be trusted to govern themselves, this is why I am supporting the redcoats. HAIL KING GEORGE III! /s

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                                        Some of these comments are wild.

                                        The OS should not at all stop me from doing what I want to do. Ever. Not even if that means I can fuck it up.

                                        They can warn me when I attempt to do things that could fuck shit up. They can make it a bit harder to navigate to certain things so I'm less likely to fuck shit up. But it's my god damn hardware. I should be able to run and configure the software on it as I see fit.

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                                          That's the same argument people used to praise Microsoft for forcing mandatory updates.

                                          Every year they force untested updates breaking the OS or even bricking the hardware.
                                          And Windows is still vulnerable despite the updates.

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