[PSA] Lemmy account deletion is a mess
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Fair enough. I guess we can skip the other options then, at least for your case. The replacement isn't implemented in a very thoughtful way, I agree. For technical reasons, you can't have it your way either. A platform with tree-style comments or replies can't have a comment in-between deleted entirely, or the rest of the tree will collapse. So there needs to be some empty placeholder. Or you just can't use platforms which allow users to reply to each other, but that's more a you-problem. I agree though, if you delete it, it can't have your username or content left behind. Thanks for raising this concern. I'm not sure if anyone ever put it on the agenda for Lemmy.
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No, I'm not. As stated: reading comprehension
My problem is mass deletion without consideration. Obviously if something is identifiable: remove it, but don't do so en masse without looking. It's not ideal, but it's your right to remove identifying info. If it doesn't actually ID someone they should leave it the fuck alone
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I'm not sure what OP meant but I think none of the comments here are nailing it. If we say, we can't do anything unless it's 100% certain that all instances comply with the protocol, we might scrap the whole Fediverse idea altogether. Any post or comment or vote or deletion could be tempered with in one way or another. I mean we're clearly making an effort here to do federation. I don't really agree with the why and how of the whole discussion. My own point is, the software seems to have some bugs. Rarely, some comments and posts don't federate to me correctly, and more often than that, deletions don't federate correctly. Which seems to be one of OP's problems, but also while dealing with spam or malicious activities.
On the other hand, everyone who thinks it's super easy to just delete everything has never had a look at the consequences. Moderators and Admins sometimes need to deal with bad people, there are technical reasons involved. And bad people also misuse features. It's complicated for several reasons, difficult to get it right and it's always a balance between opposing legitimate interests.
But with that said, this doesn't apply to bugs. Lemmy should at least iron out the software bugs to federate activities to other instances properly.
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So if someone is worried they've compromised their identity you'd want them to have to manually sift through potentially thousands of posts and comments?
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No OPs point is not that there are bugs and deletions arent federating properly. OP expects functionality that doesnt exist and does not make sense and believes they are being tricked by this feature not existing.
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How again would anybody be mislead if deletions were being federated? Use this answer to answer yourself.
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What the hell are you on about? Lots of interesting assumptions about me in this topic
BTW the deletion of the jlai.lu account that i created 2 days ago worked just as i would have expected it originally. The comment i posted on here is deleted and the account is not reachable from other instances. Jlai.lu runs an outdated lemmy version (0.19.5)
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- Hilariously the soution would be facebook style "we won't delete your data if you log back in n days"
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Sorry I was wrong. Your post made it seem like this was not working at all.
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Your account is not your posts. Why would one assume that deleting the account would remove the posts? When a person stops speaking the things they said do not become unsaid. When they die their actions don't retroactively undo themselves.
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Thank you, Lord Mathias, for blessing me with this insight. I am now at peace.
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That's why Lemmy is such a GDPR nightmare
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Don't post identifying shit in the first place if you don't want it up. Learn how search functions work if you don't wanna manually shift through shit.
Like I said: loss of information because people are whiny babies about this shit is a bigger deal to me than someone removing information nobody else actually gives a shit about
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Don't post identifying shit in the first place if you don't want it up. Learn how search functions work if you don't wanna manually shift through shit.
Like I said: loss of information because people are whiny babies about this shit is a bigger deal to me than someone removing information nobody else actually gives a shit about
Just quoting this for posterity because it's such an asinine and victim blaming way of thinking. Enjoy the block. Nothing of value is lost.
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When deleting the account did you mark the checkbox "Delete all posts, comments and uploaded images"? Lemmy.world is running an old version so its possible that this is missing. Without that it is expected that only the profile gets deleted, while content is still available.
As for federated account deletion this is implemented and covered by test cases and should work in theory. However it is always possible that there is a bug. It would be helpful if you could open an issue with exact steps to reproduce. Use enterprise.lemmy.ml and ds9.lemmy.ml to test the latest version.
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I get that world should be an outlier. World does not have the checkbox, it just says "esto eliminará permanentamente todos sus datos de esta instancia"
Thought that would include posts etc, but if i understood that right, it was working as intended.As for the other instances, i did use the checkbox and the accounts etc are gone from the home instance but not anywhere else - at least that is true for the slrpnk account on all the instances that i checked.
Now i'm surprised to find my lemm.ee account is actually gone from lemmy.ml and db0. But it is not from world, slrpnk.net, lemmy.ca, sopuli, blahaj, feddit.org, jlai.lu, discuss.online, infosec.pub, programming.dev, lemmy.nz, but at least something seems to have been federated with this deletion.
I deleted those accounts in late December.
I deleted a newly created account on jlaiu.lu two days ago, they're running 0.19.5 but i think they have the checkbox (which i have then ticked) and my comment and profile deletion has federated nicely over the instances that i checked.
I would not know how to reproduce all this. I just deleted my accounts and checked the checkbox if it was available.
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Originally account deletion would always delete your posts, comments and everything. This was changed in 0.19 to make the content deletion optional (otherwise a lot of posts and comments would disappear unnecessarily). Unfortunately we forgot to add the new option to the user interface for 0.19, but it was added probably around 0.19.4.
Its hard to say why the federation didnt work properly, maybe there was a network error, or a bug in older Lemmy versions that got fixed in the meantime. Or there is still a bug which only happens in some cases.
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It's a Rust program I wrote that runs on my Lemmy server, but in theory it should work with any Lemmy server.
I've thrown the code and a compiled version of the binaries on Github if you're interested: source / binary downloads
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Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
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OP is expecting the deletion of posts and comments to federate in the same ways posting them would. I don't think they're necessarily going scorched earth and care about someone quoting their comment in a reply or resharing a photo.
I think that's a bit grandiose of a stance. If I misread what someone said or realized someone already said what I did I don't think deleting it leads to any kind of growth.
That's setting aside how draining it can be to reply to several people who are making the same argument about how you are wrong. If I couldn't delete what I posted at that point I would just be creating a slew of edits to justify myself like people regularly do on Reddit whenever they get downvoted.
