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Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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    Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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      Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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      No US president is a peace dove. Between supporting proxie wars to police actions to declared war, they all end up getting people killed by bombs.

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        Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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        Everyone knew he wasn't going to be able to curtail democratic elections without the excuse of a war. This is on schedule.

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          Everyone knew he wasn't going to be able to curtail democratic elections without the excuse of a war. This is on schedule.

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          Good thing states control the elections.

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            Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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            No.

            We had a lot of "I'm willing to make deals with anyone" rhetoric from the Trump campaign that low-info voters took to mean he was anti-war.

            But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn't significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter). Its all the same neoconservative think tanks writing variations on Project For A New American Century for the modern government.

            The idea that you were going to elect an anti-war president went out the window during the primaries. Vanishingly few federal office holders have shown opposition to attacking Iran. Less than what we had in 2003 against Iraq.

            Everyone from Richie Torres to Mike Lee seem on board with a brand new Holocaust in the Middle East.

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              Good thing states control the elections.

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              We've got an election in NYC right now, with a pro-Palestine Muslim threatening to upset Trump's close friend Andrew Cuomo. Weird that nobody is claiming this election is being threatened by Trump, given that NYC has an enormous stock of Trump/Kushner accumulated capital.

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                Good thing states control the elections.

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                Unfortunately the republican run states will bend over whenever Trump tells them to.

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                  Good thing states control the elections.

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                  Or 50x the chances for hijinx, depending on your angle.

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                    Unfortunately the republican run states will bend over whenever Trump tells them to.

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                    That's not true, they are protesting too.

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                      That's not true, they are protesting too.

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                      I mean the republican lawmakers, not the citizens.

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                        Good thing states control the elections.

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                        Not anymore. The SCOTUS ruled already that they must have their ballots approved by the Feds, and feds can overrule their ballots.

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                          Good thing states control the elections.

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                          I mean, Trump just illegally deployed the national guard and the marines in California. He needed the state’s permission (which he didn’t get) to deploy the guard and deploying the marines is on a whole other level of illegal.

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                            Everyone knew he wasn't going to be able to curtail democratic elections without the excuse of a war. This is on schedule.

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                            I always thought Trump could curtail democratic elections without the excuse of war ... by relying on a convenient terrorist attack instead.

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                              I always thought Trump could curtail democratic elections without the excuse of war ... by relying on a convenient terrorist attack instead.

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                              Nah, a war in the middle east is normal. Nobody would accept a normal situation as justification to cancel elections.

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                                No.

                                We had a lot of "I'm willing to make deals with anyone" rhetoric from the Trump campaign that low-info voters took to mean he was anti-war.

                                But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn't significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter). Its all the same neoconservative think tanks writing variations on Project For A New American Century for the modern government.

                                The idea that you were going to elect an anti-war president went out the window during the primaries. Vanishingly few federal office holders have shown opposition to attacking Iran. Less than what we had in 2003 against Iraq.

                                Everyone from Richie Torres to Mike Lee seem on board with a brand new Holocaust in the Middle East.

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                                But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn’t significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter). Its all the same neoconservative think tanks writing variations on Project For A New American Century for the modern government.

                                That isn't congress or the president. Pentagon leadership doesn't declare war. Congress has the power to declare war which hasn't happened for some time and since then the president has basically done so, although arguable that it's been a "formal" declaration of war.

                                This is what people voted for, up and down the ballot. US voters put Trump at the top and yes men in the house and senate.

                                Vote better next time, I guess.

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                                  No.

                                  We had a lot of "I'm willing to make deals with anyone" rhetoric from the Trump campaign that low-info voters took to mean he was anti-war.

                                  But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn't significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter). Its all the same neoconservative think tanks writing variations on Project For A New American Century for the modern government.

                                  The idea that you were going to elect an anti-war president went out the window during the primaries. Vanishingly few federal office holders have shown opposition to attacking Iran. Less than what we had in 2003 against Iraq.

                                  Everyone from Richie Torres to Mike Lee seem on board with a brand new Holocaust in the Middle East.

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                                  But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn’t significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter).

                                  That's not strictly true. Trump purged a lot of leadership that was loyal to the Constitution rather than personally to him.

                                  But your overall point about the war-hawkishness remains valid.

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                                    But the underlying Pentagon leadership hasn’t significantly changed between Biden and Trump (or Bush and Trump, for that matter). Its all the same neoconservative think tanks writing variations on Project For A New American Century for the modern government.

                                    That isn't congress or the president. Pentagon leadership doesn't declare war. Congress has the power to declare war which hasn't happened for some time and since then the president has basically done so, although arguable that it's been a "formal" declaration of war.

                                    This is what people voted for, up and down the ballot. US voters put Trump at the top and yes men in the house and senate.

                                    Vote better next time, I guess.

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                                    Congress has the power to declare war

                                    That they fully abdicated with the 2001 AUMF, which they keep renewing specifically so they don't have to ever make these decisions.

                                    This is what people voted for

                                    The people vote for candidates, not policies. And they candidates they vote for routinely talk out of both sides of their mouths. NDAAs regularly pass with overwhelming bipartisan support, even as a super-majority of Congresscritters campaign against this or that component of them.

                                    Vote better next time, I guess.

                                    I was told to VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO because there is a Cheeto In The White House. If both major parties field pro-war candidates, what's the move?

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