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    Debian should be the default Linux because it is as far from corporations as possible and it works.

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    Debian is frankenstein's monster of half-baked things that falls apart and rots. Add to it absolute absence of any leadership and direction, where even smallest decisions take years (mawk/gawk/nawk), shipping broken packages for years, and so on.

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      it is as far from corporations as possible and it works

      And Debian does it for a few decades as it is one of the oldest distro alive. It really proved its ideology and technical basis as livable.

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      Yeah, I got that. But how is Arc, for example, "close to corporations" ?

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        Debian is frankenstein's monster of half-baked things that falls apart and rots. Add to it absolute absence of any leadership and direction, where even smallest decisions take years (mawk/gawk/nawk), shipping broken packages for years, and so on.

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        It is OS. OS doesn't need leadership or direction. For these things you should address to MacOS. They have a leader, direction and all that.

        Debian is just a GNU/Linux OS to run programs.

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          Yeah, I got that. But how is Arc, for example, "close to corporations" ?

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          What is Arc? Arch? Arch takes too much attention to maintain (don't you dare to miss that update or don't pay enough attention to the changelog). It is a good OS for enthusiasts loving tinkering with OS, but an really awful offer for people who need OS.

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            What is Arc? Arch? Arch takes too much attention to maintain (don't you dare to miss that update or don't pay enough attention to the changelog). It is a good OS for enthusiasts loving tinkering with OS, but an really awful offer for people who need OS.

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            I expect institutions and corporations to have an IT department that takes care of these things.

            You cannot apply a personal user logic to IT infrastructure of organizations. For such an organization Linux distro the users will never deal with the package manager or any directory outside of /home.

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              A guy who works for the EU has proposed that Europe have its own Linux distro for European public sector use.

              The plan is to base this distro on Fedora with KDE Plasma. I suppose Plasma is relatively similar to the Windows desktop, so it should be familiar for public sector employees.

              Thoughts?

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              Since Europe (especially Germany) likes its acronyms, why not call it EPSos (spoken "app-sauce") for European Publich Sector OS?

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                I expect institutions and corporations to have an IT department that takes care of these things.

                You cannot apply a personal user logic to IT infrastructure of organizations. For such an organization Linux distro the users will never deal with the package manager or any directory outside of /home.

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                So what is your problem with Debian if you never expect to maintain it?

                Moreover -- it is nice to have the same tool at home as you have at work. It's just easier.

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                  A guy who works for the EU has proposed that Europe have its own Linux distro for European public sector use.

                  The plan is to base this distro on Fedora with KDE Plasma. I suppose Plasma is relatively similar to the Windows desktop, so it should be familiar for public sector employees.

                  Thoughts?

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                  This is pure marketing propaganda

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                    What is Arc? Arch? Arch takes too much attention to maintain (don't you dare to miss that update or don't pay enough attention to the changelog). It is a good OS for enthusiasts loving tinkering with OS, but an really awful offer for people who need OS.

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                    Yes, of course Arch. But ypu're still dodging my question. You were saying other distributions were close to Corpos compared to Debian. We weren't talking about the benefits or drawbacks of specific distros

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                      Yes, of course Arch. But ypu're still dodging my question. You were saying other distributions were close to Corpos compared to Debian. We weren't talking about the benefits or drawbacks of specific distros

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                      You were saying other distributions were close to Corpos compared to Debian.

                      I never said that. I said:

                      it is as far from corporations as possible and it works

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                        Suse exists and is european, why would you need another distro?

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                        Who knows. And maybe this proposed project will go nowhere. But it would be cool if the European public sector does end up using Linux on the desktop.

                        As always, the year of the Linux desktop is just around the corner...

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                          You were saying other distributions were close to Corpos compared to Debian.

                          I never said that. I said:

                          it is as far from corporations as possible and it works

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                          And I want to know why you think something like Arch linux is "close to corporations" in comparison

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                            Suse exists and is european, why would you need another distro?

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                            sigh relevant xkcd

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                              It is OS. OS doesn't need leadership or direction. For these things you should address to MacOS. They have a leader, direction and all that.

                              Debian is just a GNU/Linux OS to run programs.

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                              Actually you need leadership and direction so you won't end up in current debian situation where they can't decide on anything where there is three suites of helper utils that do same thing but can't actually mandate usage of one. Where apt-get is still shipped ten years after apt becoming default and so on. It's a mess.

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                                And I want to know why you think something like Arch linux is "close to corporations" in comparison

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                                Go to ignore. You're speaking with yourself and obviously are unable or unwilling to understand what I'm saying.

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                                  So what is your problem with Debian if you never expect to maintain it?

                                  Moreover -- it is nice to have the same tool at home as you have at work. It's just easier.

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                                  i didn't say anything towards Debian being good or bad. I don't know enough about it to make such a judgement. I merely pointed out that ease of maintainability by the end user is not an argument for organizations. As for home use, people who decide to use a Linux distro at home are not the main target here. Again, an organization will make a walled garden for their end users, so similarity ends being a relevant factor past the Desktop GUI. And whether you run Gnome, KDE or a different one does not depend on the distro itself.

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                                    Go to ignore. You're speaking with yourself and obviously are unable or unwilling to understand what I'm saying.

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                                    No, you just refuse to answer a simple question

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                                      A guy who works for the EU has proposed that Europe have its own Linux distro for European public sector use.

                                      The plan is to base this distro on Fedora with KDE Plasma. I suppose Plasma is relatively similar to the Windows desktop, so it should be familiar for public sector employees.

                                      Thoughts?

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                                      Why though? Some of the biggest distros aren't even based in the US but rather in Europe.

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                                        A guy who works for the EU has proposed that Europe have its own Linux distro for European public sector use.

                                        The plan is to base this distro on Fedora with KDE Plasma. I suppose Plasma is relatively similar to the Windows desktop, so it should be familiar for public sector employees.

                                        Thoughts?

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                                        Based on Fedora, run by Red Hat, an American company.

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                                          Why though? Some of the biggest distros aren't even based in the US but rather in Europe.

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                                          But who builds Debian?

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