Perpetual stew vibes
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Do you have a citation for that claim? It’s pretty well common knowledge that EVOO is a lower smoke point than typical refined cooking oils.
Google it
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Google it
I did and all the links back me up and contradict you.
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I did and all the links back me up and contradict you.
There's this list for example
There's also this article
There's also the fact that in mediterranian cuisine it has been used that way for centuries with no complaints about the taste.
And then there's just my personal experience of not a single dish I've prepared tasting bitter due to using extra virgin olive oil for frying.
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PSA be careful buying lye. It has other uses than soap making, including stripping of carcasses to the bone, and then turning the fat into soap. If you order enough you might get a visit from your friendly government agent.
Corrected as to what it does.
wrote last edited by [email protected]throwback to this amazing scene from Four Lions
"Bleach scene"
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There's this list for example
There's also this article
There's also the fact that in mediterranian cuisine it has been used that way for centuries with no complaints about the taste.
And then there's just my personal experience of not a single dish I've prepared tasting bitter due to using extra virgin olive oil for frying.
Those are cherry-picked high numbers for EVOO and low numbers for canola oil. I have seen 450F/230C as a more common high end figure. I cook with sunflower oil which ranges 440F-480F and ghee which smokes at 482F.
I would also like to note that the original discussion was about caring for and seasoning cast iron pans which occurs at temperatures close to the smoke point of the oil, not about frying or sautéing. Cast iron pans are often seasoned in the oven and even used for roasting or baking at oven temperatures exceeding 500F. I would never put EVOO into an oven like that unless it was protected (such as included in a pizza crust) but even then I would prefer to drizzle the olive oil over the pizza after baking rather than before, due to the volatility of all the aromatics.
I have cooked plenty of times with EVOO but I would never use it for stir frying!
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It is, I literally just cook in mine, don't baby it, scrape the hell out of it with a heavy stainless steel spatula and use a paper towel to get out anything. If stuck bits of food, they get scrapped, then water and soap. Then just oil the pan and rack it again. None of that silly shit. Just use the damn thing.
Exactly. Just soak it in bacon grease, let the cats lick it dry overnight, then bury it in loamy soil under an orange tree during the full moon. So easy. I'm not sure why anyone doesn't use cast iron.
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At first you're gonna boil them. And after tha t you're gonna mash them, then you can choose to stick it in a stew.
Po-tae-toes
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But cast iron is iron. It doesn't smoke.
Oil makes smoke. You can use oil on steel, that is not an issue for you?
No, but I'm also not bringing oil to its smoke point when I'm doing normal cooking.
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PSA be careful buying lye. It has other uses than soap making, including stripping of carcasses to the bone, and then turning the fat into soap. If you order enough you might get a visit from your friendly government agent.
Corrected as to what it does.
That's why I buy all my lye through my LLC, Bone Soap Co.
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Wait, how does an oven give migraines? Legitimately curious
Edit: I forgot Americans have inferior electricity and often use gas ovens at home lol
In most parts of the US, the typical range is all electric running on 240v. Gas is not the norm. Outlets are typically 120v, but appliances are connected to specialized high voltage outlets or hardwired.
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99% of all the old "don't wash cast iron!" shit you hear is antiquated information from back in the day when they used lye for soap.
There is absolutely no reason today to not wash your cast iron today. That doesnt mean you always have to, though. Often just wiping it out with a damp rag is more than enough, and if you have a lot of really stuck on shit.. You can scrub it with a slurry made up of salt, water, and soap (Make sure you use little water so the salt doesnt dissolve into the water and disappear). The salt will provide some abrasive scrubbing without damaging the cure.
outside of that, again, if you choose to, you can absolutely wash it. Warm water and soap, dry it off, put it on a hot burner for a bit to dry off any remaining water.. and if you are using it again tomorrow, you're done. If you're not gonna use it for a while, then a very very light coat of oil would be wise until you use it next time.
and just in case anyone wants a good way to cure.. I cover my cast iron in a thin layer of lard, and put it on a rocket hot grill, and leave it until it stops smoking. then i take it off, let it sit until i can handle it again.. put another coat of lard on, and repeat. a couple coats should give you a great starting base to build your cure up from.. and its not something you have to do often unless you really abuse your cast iron.
Unless you live in a humid area, a microscopic amount of water isn't going to harm anything before it dries. Clean it with soap then use a dry towel to dry it and leave it on the stove, it'll be fine.
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Which is apparently why burritos from old-school eateries taste so good: they don’t wash the griddle, and the secret sauce is the essence of the entrails of generations of pigs and chickens
That least touches an open flame.
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Any pathogens would be cooked anyway.
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Clean it, don't clean it, oil it, salt it, water it, "season it", season it by not cleaning it so your french toast gets all that good hamburger flavor from the night before...
I've read so many different ways to treat cast iron that at this point I'm convinced that it's all just superstition.
As long as you're not cleaning with lye, soap is generally fine. But if you're going to be a bit lax on cleaning, the only real downside in my opinion is potentially introducing flavors you didn't intend.
I think for the most part, you do you. If it looks visually fine, it's probably good enough.
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Again, this isn't true. Extra virgin olive oil of decent quality has a smoke point similar to canola oil.
The chart at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_point would disagree
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The chart at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_point would disagree
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, at least read it properly before commenting.
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Any pathogens would be cooked anyway.
But more likely to ingest benzopyrene which can be carcinogenic
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No, at least read it properly before commenting.
wrote last edited by [email protected]207 as opposed to 230-250 for the oils people typically recommend (rice bran, peanut, refined sunflower, ghee...) and 270 for avocado. Sounds lower to me.
Edit: oh you were talking specifically about canola. Well, since they put mustard oil (basically the same thing) at 240 later, I'm not sure about that number, but yeah maybe specifically canola is also not great.
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Honestly, depending on the specifics here, not the worst. If they're using an oil that will polymerize, then as they oil/heat/cool cycle it, the seasoning will further develop over time, as long as they're somewhat scraping off remnants of their cooking as they finish, leaving it as clean as it can be without actually washing it, and then heat cycling it to sanitize any bacteria that might be there, I don't really see a problem with it....
It's not exactly up to modern hygienic standards, or social standards.... And I'm pretty sure if any restaurant or food joint did the same they would get shut down by the health inspector before long.... But you do you buddy.
For anyone not in the know, the thing with cast iron and cleaning is no longer a problem. Clean your cast iron. When cast iron was just about the only cookware, soaps included lye. Lye will erode the non-stick "seasoning" on cast iron. Modern soaps do not contain lye, so go ham.
Cleaning, however, introduces water.... And water causes iron to rust, so it is generally advisable to clean your cast iron cookware, then immediately heat it up past the boiling point for water, to vaporize any liquid water and carry it off the surface of the iron. Once past that temperature, let the cookware cool, then treat it with a thin layer of oil. This will protect the surface from atmospheric moisture and allow the cookware to work over much longer periods of time without needing to be "re-seasoned" (which is removing the layers of polymerized oil on the cast iron, and then re-applying it using a slow method of oiling, then heating the cookware, allowing it to cool, oiling then heating again)...
Don't be afraid of cast iron, it needs a little more attention than other cookware, but it's a joy to actually cook with.
Not sure about the soap thing. It definitely strips more of the "seasoning" than just water in my experience. And it's my understanding modern dish soap contains some synthetics, and cast iron is very porous (I use the cheap kind, I think the kind for camping, lol), so I avoid soap. I just use very warm water and sometimes mechanical means (stainless steel scrubbers) to clean my cast iron. Tbf, just cooking very fat/oil heavy stuff restores much of the seasoning whenever it's lost.
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Clean it, don't clean it, oil it, salt it, water it, "season it", season it by not cleaning it so your french toast gets all that good hamburger flavor from the night before...
I've read so many different ways to treat cast iron that at this point I'm convinced that it's all just superstition.
Yup, just go with stainless steel. I wouldn't recommend teflon coated pans anymore, because it's literally poison.
