What do you think of imitation and lab-grown meats?
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Lab meat seems like a great idea for those who know nothing about tissue culture. lab-grown meat production traditionally relies on animal serum, particularly fetal bovine serum (FBS), which is a nutrient-rich liquid extracted from the blood of slaughtered cow fetuses to stimulate cell growth. It's all bullshit.
Some companies are trying to find alternatives, but nothing else is working and all this tech will produce meat only smug Hollywood celebrities can afford.
There are other options and substitutes, known as chemically defined media(CDM), because ultimately FBS is just a chemical slurry that can be replicated via any other ingredients like Gatorade.
The reason FBS is used extensively is because of the long history of it's use and when trying to do something new limiting variables is critical. It's an issue of there needing to be a new standard, but that one XKCD mentality is preventing it.
The two major drawback of FBS is that, ironically, it's a biological product and the composition can vary wildly between batches, and that it's stupidily expensive at ~$1500 USD per liter. You will not be purchasing a lab grown burger made with FBS unless you have thousands of dollars to spend per burger.
However, without oversight, certification programs and forced transparency it can be expected that these companies are going to cut corners, but it's going to be via other low cost animal product additives like gelatin, eggs, chitin etc.
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I’m not vegan or vegetarian
It's not that binary. It's not either meat or vegetables and that's it. You can skip meat for like 75% of your meals. You don't have to be a vegetarian to like vegetables.
I actually do eat a lot of vegetables. I don’t eat sugar or starch so I have to have lots of greens
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
Mushrooms are awesome when cooked like meat. I think I don't need any weird non vegan lab meat thanks.
I do like Costco's fake chicken legs and the impossible burger and the impossible chicken nugget. I agree those things are over processed foods and I'll explain my worries. First of the machines all have stainless components rubbing around plastic components and food that may be acidic. That's it. All the acid, rubbing, cooking etc can released hexavalent chrome from the machine parts and slowly poison you with plastic particles. In the end you don't know if it was chrome, plastic, radiation, pesticides etc. You just get untreatable cancer and die.
My vegan life is better served with fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts etc. All natural and if the pistachios ever become sentient we'll have a real phaking problem.
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Hmm I started ordering until I saw an ingredient listed as "natural flavor", which feels like a red flag.
Any idea what that is?
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
wrote last edited by [email protected]In practice, I have no idea how lab grown meat tastes so idk if I like it.
In theory, the only things I care about are flavour and texture, and meat gives me the flavour and texture I like. I'd love it if something more ethical gave me those things, and if lab grown meat can do that, then I'll be happy to switch once it comes to my local grocery store.
Some immigration meat isn't bad. It doesn't taste like any meat I know, but I'm ok with that. I haven't figured out how to use it well in recipes though.
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
As a meat eater, I consider it an abomination.
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I love Beyond Meat products, but lab grown still freaks me out a little. It's hard to articulate, but I don't know that I could eat it without imagining some kind of wet, pulsating mass of slimy flesh sitting in a bin of some sort in a lab, with tubes and wires hooked up all over it. I know damn well that's not what it is, but the image is there. I hope I get over it.
I'd rather just give up meat entirely and stick to plant-based alternatives.
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
I won't stop eating meat, eggs, or dairy, but if we can take the whole killing and torturing animals out of the process, I'm all for it.
Once we've got affordable synthetic equivalents (and I mean equivalents; synthetic milk you can make proper cheese with, cold meats, steak, ribs, eggs, anything you can make with an animal), we should outright ban using animals for food.
(Except for birds, of course. Fuck birds. Should've gone extinct 65 million years ago with the rest of the dinosaurs, the bastards.)
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I love Beyond Meat products, but lab grown still freaks me out a little. It's hard to articulate, but I don't know that I could eat it without imagining some kind of wet, pulsating mass of slimy flesh sitting in a bin of some sort in a lab, with tubes and wires hooked up all over it. I know damn well that's not what it is, but the image is there. I hope I get over it.
I'd rather just give up meat entirely and stick to plant-based alternatives.
But would you eat a meat leaf? https://youtu.be/JNfQCRzcr3o
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Hmm I started ordering until I saw an ingredient listed as "natural flavor", which feels like a red flag.
Any idea what that is?
No, but I'm confident it isn't a product derived from animals. They're pretty clear on their mission statement that they are trying to replace animal products with mycelium/
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As a meat eater, I consider it an abomination.
why do you yuck someone else's yum?
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
I went through a phase of beyond/impossible meats and they’re ok. I generally don’t object but they didn’t hit the same as actual meat or actual veggies. Plus they’re awfully expensive and sold in small packages with excessive plastic packing. I gave up in favor of either meet or plant based.
Except breakfast sausage. My grocery hasn’t reliably had breakfast sausage in over a year and the beyond stuff doesn’t work for me
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
I assume it’s like normal ultra processed foods full of chemicals that kill us because it’s cheaper for the company and they profit more.
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Recently tried an Impossible burger and nuggets and thought that if nobody told me it wasn't meat, I'd have thought the patty was made out of a weird kind of meat, rather than make a connection with the taste and texture of plants. Honestly, I might not complain if that was the only kind of "meat" I could have for the rest of my life.
Well, maybe I'd miss bacon.
I've yet to find the opportunity to try lab-grown meat, but I for sure would like to try it out and don't see much wrong with it as long as it's sustainable, reasonably priced, and doesn't have anything you wouldn't expect in a normal piece of meat.
Also, with imitation and lab-grown options, I'd no longer have to deal with the disgust factor of handling raw meat (esp. the juices) or biting into gristle. I'll happily devour a hot dog, but something about an unexpected bit of cartilage gives me a lingering sense of revulsion.
Are they meat eaters?
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I won't stop eating meat, eggs, or dairy, but if we can take the whole killing and torturing animals out of the process, I'm all for it.
Once we've got affordable synthetic equivalents (and I mean equivalents; synthetic milk you can make proper cheese with, cold meats, steak, ribs, eggs, anything you can make with an animal), we should outright ban using animals for food.
(Except for birds, of course. Fuck birds. Should've gone extinct 65 million years ago with the rest of the dinosaurs, the bastards.)
(Except for birds, of course. Fuck birds. Should've gone extinct 65 million years ago with the rest of the dinosaurs, the bastards.)
Do your share, get an outdoor cat
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(Except for birds, of course. Fuck birds. Should've gone extinct 65 million years ago with the rest of the dinosaurs, the bastards.)
Do your share, get an outdoor cat
I live in a city, on a fourth floor, tragically, and I wouldn't want my kitten to fall and / or get flattened by a car.
Plus, I work most of the day, and cats do need attention, and space. It'd be cruel to leave the poor critter alone in a small flat all that time.
And anyway the only¹ birds we've got around here are pigeons, which are almost certainly toxic and, at this point, mostly composed of microplastics, and seagulls², which ditto and would probably try to eat the cat.
1.— We used to have massive flocks of sparrows, too, and ducks in one of the rivers, but the sparrows are mostly gone due to climate change and insect collapse, and I'm fairly certain the seagulls ate the ducks (or at least enough ducklings for the flock to go extinct).
2.— We're 34km from the coast. I have no idea where the seagulls came from. Horrible screeching parasites. Probably came up the river, eating the ducks on their way.
River used to be full of carps... probably are those, too..
