US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin... Trump wouldn't stop wanting to be a King. As a King he'd work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn't that big...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn't that big...
Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the "Et tu, Bruté?" bit.
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they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.
the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.
you should be weary.
Oh don't worry, we're really freaking tired and weary of this nonsense.
But we should also be wary of how sneaky these bastards are.
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Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.
That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.
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Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Irritatingly unlikely, sadly.
Both parties have spent considerable time batting around the 2nd Amendment as a toy in their game. A polarizing empty-promise point with emotional strings attached, so now all the blowhard bullies sexually fetishize weaponry, and many of the types who would disagree with authoritarians are paralyzingly afraid and ignorant of anything "military looking" that makes loud noises.
"Because only cops and troops should have guns!" said the enlightened neoliberals, as they gladly handed over their responsibilities of self-protection and firearms education to the might-makes-right crowd.
"Muh freedom! An' 1776 or somethin'! An' own the libs, don't tread on me!" says the gun "collecting", MAGA-hat wearing, massive-smoking-diesel-truck-in-the-suburbs driving, angry and scared working man, who carries a copy of the Declaration of Independence (he hasn't actually read, or if so, cherry-picks the parts he likes) and is completely ignorant on the Bill of Rights, who loudly decries and slanders "The Government(TM)" ...but conveniently simps for his abusive bossman and "backs the blue" when they mercilessly beat a bunch of people waving signs and assault reporters. Who waves a Bible (also unread) around yet shows contempt and hatred for his neighbor. Who thinks a bunch of armed insurrectionists storming the Capital because they didn't like poll results aren't traitors.
Lol.
Lmao.
God help us.
Many of the people who are opposed to this clown show have been successfully declawed and defanged if their legal processes have fallen apart, which we're watching happen in real time. They're also scabs who just want their creature comforts and will keep their heads down hoping "somebody else will take care of it."
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And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.
And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.
But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:
- a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
- USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.
But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.
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Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.
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I like this! It's a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU's military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it'll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection
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It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it's not actually relevant since it's going nowhere.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Agreed. Sensationalist newsweek article and title.
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Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.
That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.
That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.
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And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything
4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months.
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I like this! It's a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU's military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it'll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection
Yeah and what the fuck we gonna do without Raytheon/LockMart/Boeing weaponry etc? Munition?
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Good....GOOD. Immigrants in EU welcome!
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I like this! It's a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU's military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it'll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection
Europe is not decoupling.
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I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.
We'll see if this gets anywhere. Right now it's just one idiot pushing this.
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Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.
And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.
But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:
- a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
- USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.
But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.
Right now nearly all aid to Ukraine comes from Europe and Russia is not able to win that war. At least not easily. That is with Russia in a war economy, whereas Europe half asses deliveries for the most part and obviously there are over a million professional European soldiers with some really good kit around as well.
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And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.
Russia could not even prevent Assad from falling to some militia with some training from Turkey, while Iran was also helping. What do you believe is going to happen, if they would try to fight another professional military? They are not even winning in Ukraine, which gets some support from Europe, while Russia has a full on war economy.
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Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.
And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.
But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:
- a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
- USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.
But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.
I'm fairly sure Ukraine is almost stronger than EU combined right now. We would NOT speedrun Russia, and Russia is a death cult that would have hundreds if not millions of casualties on their side, even if we did (saying this as a Serbian, and we are normally very proud of our combat abilities for some reason).
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Yeah and what the fuck we gonna do without Raytheon/LockMart/Boeing weaponry etc? Munition?
That's the point, figure out a way to stop relying on them. It'd have been better if it weren't necessary to have a wake-up call like this, but if that's what it takes to achieve that result, I'm okay with it
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Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east.
Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw.
Step 3: PROFIT.Step 3: Become irrevelant, getting replaced by otherwise mediocre countries. That's one way to bring world peace, I guess.
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That's the point, figure out a way to stop relying on them. It'd have been better if it weren't necessary to have a wake-up call like this, but if that's what it takes to achieve that result, I'm okay with it
Yeah but no need to withdraw now, that's like I agreed to teach you to swim but go head first in deep waters with no safeguard whatsoever
