US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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I can see trump believing something so stupid as that, and putin might saber rattle about it, but the majority of the world, and china/india especially in this situation, probably would not go along with it. Europe still has functioning nuclear capabilities. Putin does not want nukes hitting his country, full stop. China does not want a nuclear situation kicking off with their neighbor to the north, and knows that the US under trump would likely turn on them despite a war ruining both countries. India no more wants china controlling the waters to their east than the countries immediately around those waters do, and would likely cause issues, which china also doesn't want. As we've seen in the modern times with ukraine and some of the middle east conflicts and the india/pakistan border, nuclear powers tiptoe around anything that resembles direct conflict. The recent dogfight over the border was a pretty good idea of how reserved even 'open' conflict is.
So putin is likely not going to do anything more than a symbolic grunt at his western border, and china will just slowly weather down taiwan if the u.s. is withdrawing its influence. The idea of reunification isn't THAT taboo in taiwan, and the candidates for it gather a decent chunk of votes. If the u.s. starts acting like a bitch around the world (oh, gee, just look at what's happening right now), the sentiment towards it and china could easily see a rapid shift.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Many valid points, but having nukes generally only prevents getting nuked, not attacks by other means. At least as long as either party still has something to lose.
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From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
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That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.
They do have active protection; education. Under attack since the dawn of time.
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I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?
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All of Europe will be Russia.
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They do have active protection; education. Under attack since the dawn of time.
Education... educated people think about things. Above all, when is the best time to have a child in terms of financial situation etc. Political and world events etc. can also be taken into consideration. .
Meanwhile, the uneducated have the 4-5 child.
The educated now have the problem of age and have waited too long/thought about the fact that having a child is no longer an option. -
Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin's worse evil.
I have good news, NATO still has a pretty powerful military without the US being involved and the addition of Finland/Sweden makes Europes continental defense much more capable. NATO has pretty dispersed manufacturing capabilities, so it won't even take that long to replace most American systems. The only long/medium term problem is the F-35, and that's less of a problem than people think. Americans MIC won't turn off its money makers, and much of the knowledge to build the plane is already dispersed among NATO members.
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I like this! It's a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU's military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it'll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection
This is disingenuous at best, Russian bot most likely
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We should wait for them to start a war with someone like Canada, and THEN ambush them. But to do that, Russia needs to be overrun.
I think preventing any unnecessary bloodshed should be first priority.
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From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
Spending more on defense is the republican thing it matters to them more than anything else so it does not matter at all if we even need it.
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All of Europe will be Russia.
The Russia that can't take Ukraine? Keep dreaming.
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They just had the largest protest in their history, have a handful of cities under military intervention to stop the protests, and are close to elect somebody that promises to fight against the federal government as mayor of their largest city.
What exactly do you expect them to do?
They’re likely expecting what we here in America call a “second amendment solution”, while ignoring that anyone who tries that is going up against the most powerful military to ever exist and will just get themselves killed.
It has taken the religious right almost 50 years of planning to take over government to this point. We’re not going to undo their bullshit overnight. But at least America is finally waking up to it and starting to work against the buffoon we unfathomably put in the white house. As well as the indoctrination the right wing of this country has been under for a generation now.
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Ok, then lets be real, there are no europeans there are only eurasians.
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If we attack the USA, can I get some land in North Carolina?
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I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?
We really need to examine this need people have to blame Russia for everything. Do you blame Russia when your dryer loses a sock too? It's fascinating to me.
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From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.
I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.
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Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.
Oh boy this Putin guy sounds powerful! He must have 64 bit washing machine CPUs!
Never take responsibility for the state of your society and country.
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If we attack the USA, can I get some land in North Carolina?
Saw what bro?
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Saw what bro?
Yeah, I saw some nice places around Raleigh near RTP, big Walmart there too. Duke sucks, BTW.
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Yeah, I saw some nice places around Raleigh near RTP, big Walmart there too. Duke sucks, BTW.
I think you know I'm more shocked you actually wanna live in on the Carolinas
