US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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I think you know I'm more shocked you actually wanna live in on the Carolinas
Seems nice. I'll annex the North one I think.
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The antagonism between Ukrainians and Russians is a project the west has been pushing for a century. First it was Nazi Germany weaponizing a hunger episode that hurt Ukraine disproportionately more in order to create anti-russian sentiment (see Stepan Bandera), then it was Europe+US talking of Ukraine as a Russian colony during Soviet times.
In the 1991 referendum, Ukraine voted to remain part of the Soviet Union which was illegally dismantled against the democratic will of the majority of the Soviet population. Despite this, the country was dissolved, the economy was auctioned to the most corrupt bidder, the industry was dismantled, and by 2022 Ukraine still hadn't recovered the economic level it had before 1991. The dissolution of the Soviet Union literally caused a demographic crisis in Ukraine comparable to the ongoing war.
Until 1991, the tensions between Ukraine and Russia were minor and the countries had a benign, sisterly relationship. It is the breaking of the eastern block that primarily triggers anti-russian nationalism in Ukraine and vice versa in Russia. It's the broken promise of the west not to push NATO eastward that puts Russia on its toes, and it's western-backed colour revolutions like the Euromaidan that proved Russia that Europe would always position itself against Russia, and not establishing friendly economic and diplomatic ties.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Was Ukraine actually added to NATO? No
Do Ukrainians want to be Russians? No
In fact after the NATO summit of 2008 where Bush said Ukraine should be a NATO member, Putin who was at that NATO summit said he didn't want that (same for Georgia).
After that NATO didn't push membership further and Putin attacked and claimed parts of Georgia anyway.
About a month after Putin said he had no plan to attack Ukraine he took Crimea.
I know people from both Ukraine and Georgia and they always tell me that Russia has been an agressive neighbor forever and they really don't want to be Russians.
I'm not saying the west it perfect and we definitely did things wrong. But the invasion of Ukraine is 100% Putin, he did this, there was no war, nobody was threatening Russia. In fact the EU was slowly getting a better economic relationship with Russia.
But in the end all of this doesn't matter, it's not about NATO, or the west. If you listen to what Putin is actually saying, he thinks Ukraine and Georgia both are not counties. In his view they have always been part of Russia, so he would have invaded them at some point anyway.
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That's a load bearing "if", holy cow.
Shit response try again
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He's wanted to use that "load bearing" line for a while now.
You know, one of the ways to recognize AI comments is odd analogies, but idk if this qualifies.
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From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
He doesn't want you to fix your part of the deal. He wants a reason to complain about the deal.
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That's a load bearing "if", holy cow.
several intelligence offices from several countries have proven russian influence into western politics, infrastructure and social media. What is your claim based on? Feelings? Strong base to stand on lmao
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We can’t look at the past with the understanding we have now and think they knew this would happen though. They made it clear they expected an easy victory.
They told their soldiers about the easy victory.
Do you think they didn't know about the Ukraine fortifications built since 2014? Have you seen their faces when they announced the 'operation'? They had to take Grozny. Why should Kyiv fall in 3 days?
You don't send your best troops into a position they can't get out of if you don't expect results. Sure, after the collapse of the government there's still going to be some fighting, but they thought they could take out the government in one swift blow.
Have you looked at the book? This conflict is in the making for a long time. Putin tried to win over Germany with cheap gas to become part of the West and avoid the conflict but Merkel betrayed him and just took the gas without changing the original goals.
Yes, it's been coming for a long time. Obviously. If it wasn't Ukraine it'd be something else. Russia was always going to push something to the point where other nations wouldn't let them anymore. It's not like Ukraine is the first sovereign nation they've invaded. It also wouldn't have been the last. Germany has not "taken" their gas though. They are still purchasing it, which is dumb because it increases they amount the need to spend in Ukraine, but it is what it is. If only they hadn't shut down those nuclear reactors a few years ago...
You don’t send your best troops into a position they can’t get out of if you don’t expect results.
They sent like 3 helicopters of their best looking soldiers. Why wouldn't they try, at least it binds Ukrainian attention? But it's muddy. To me it doesn't look like a serious attack. They were also retreating at the same time as there was the peace treaty and the claim is that the retreat was part of the deal. I will judge that when the cloak of war is gone.
The joined military exercises, the advisers, the defence lines and the time it took to take Grozny. That requires a level of ignorance by the Russians that is very unlikely.
But even if they expected an easy victory, does that change that Ukraine is used to undermine and ultimately conquer Russia?
Russia was always going to push something to the point where other nations wouldn’t let them anymore. It’s not like Ukraine is the first sovereign nation they’ve invaded.
No. They used conflicts to prevent Nato expansions at their borders. Which souvereign nation do you have in mind?
Iraq, Libya, Syria. How can the West throw stones? I can understand and accept why we fight those wars. But without discussing the true motives we have essentially given up on our democracy while spreading democracy.
They are still purchasing it,
They are not purchasing it directly. Germany is paying for a war that is against their strategic advantage while handing over profits to other countries.
which is dumb because it increases they amount the need to spend in Ukraine
Russia won't go broke. If Russia loses, China is next. China will always send enough money.
Gas is a liquid commodity. Russia could export to Algeria and Libya and they export their own gas to the EU. The more complicated the more costs. Russia will always sell gas and the EU will always import gas.
I think 2027 capacity will be there and Russia will be out. How much money was that for Russia? I don't think that changed the war but immensely helped the EU.
20% from Russia are 300 TWh.
At 30 Euro per MWh that's 9 billion Euro.This only increases costs for the EU and moves industries to other countries.
That's dumb, especially since Germany could still use North Stream. Cui bono again.
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that take is from the movie Idiocracy, and is not a fact
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Oh yes, look at the falling birth rates in countries with prosperity... Then compare that with other places in the world...
then don't forget that in other parts of the world many die as babies or children and yet there are constant or rising rates.I'm not saying that educated people are dying out or that education is dying out. However, there will always be more stupid people. Especially as the prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.
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Oh yes, look at the falling birth rates in countries with prosperity... Then compare that with other places in the world...
then don't forget that in other parts of the world many die as babies or children and yet there are constant or rising rates.I'm not saying that educated people are dying out or that education is dying out. However, there will always be more stupid people. Especially as the prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.
Can I steal this? Or is this from somewhere else?
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prosperity of the educated is built on the stupid.
Can I steal this? Or is this from somewhere else?
I haven't copied it from anywhere else, but it's a pretty general statement anyway.
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"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.
I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.
He's a trust-fund nitwit cosplaying as an entrepreneur, who has been parachuted into the Presidency.
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Yep. Definitely a Pootin troll.
Nope I don’t support Putin at all. I’m glad I stopped thinking like you.
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Mike Lee is a notoriously despicable person even by GOP standards and the bill doesn't have any legs. Like, just a week ago he said terrible things about the Minnasotan politicians who were shot dead in their homes, and he's also the one who was pushing to sell off public lands (which he was bullied out of; also seems to be in the pocket of the Mormon cult).
The US stance on NATO is complicated under the current US regime but I doubt it'll be by this assholes bill.
Try the US stance on China, ever heard of "strategic ambiguity"?
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/march/strategic-ambiguity-taiwan-has-run-its-course
It basically means as long as the US interests align with getting cheap labor and items from China, it's the best, until it isn't.
What a beacon of the international rules-based-order. No wonder the world looks up to
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Seems nice. I'll annex the North one I think.
That is in fact the better one
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Nope I don’t support Putin at all. I’m glad I stopped thinking like you.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I doubt that you think much at all. Just take the rubles, and peddle the crap from the white board in the data centre in St Petersburg.....
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As predicted years ago.
Trump is Putin's ally, not NATO's.
This was forseen by some YEARS ago..
As I've said before, they're committed to destroying all the "woke" countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,
& that's why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia's been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada's destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.
It's a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen..
Whatever.
There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this "Garden of Eden" world, right?
whatever.
Watching humankind "prevent" snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie's life be obliterated by whatever junk they're addicted-to.
Inevitable, depressing, pointless..
Oh, sure, it's possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind's obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?
not.
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I doubt that you think much at all. Just take the rubles, and peddle the crap from the white board in the data centre in St Petersburg.....
Putin has and still is committing cruel, evil, disgusting atrocities against humanity why would I support that. Listen to yourself you sound silly. Its possible to be against the West while also being against Putin, you just have to evolve your thinking.
