> "To enable the massive 256GB/s memory bandwidth that Ryzen AI Max delivers, the LPDDR5x is soldered," writes Framework CEO Nirav Patel in a post about today's announcements.
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"To enable the massive 256GB/s memory bandwidth that Ryzen AI Max delivers, the LPDDR5x is soldered," writes Framework CEO Nirav Patel in a post about today's announcements. "We spent months working with AMD to explore ways around this but ultimately determined that it wasn’t technically feasible to land modular memory at high throughput with the 256-bit memory bus. Because the memory is non-upgradeable, we’re being deliberate in making memory pricing more reasonable than you might find with other brands."
Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
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My biggest gripe about non replaceable components is the chance that they'll fail. I've had pretty much every component die on me at some point. If it's replaceable it's fine because you just get a new component, but if it isn't you now have an expensive brick.
I will admit that I haven't had anything fail recently like in the past, I have a feeling the capacitor plague of the early 2000s influenced my opinion on replaceable parts.
I also don't fall in the category of people that need soldered components in order to meet their demands, I'm happy with raspberry pis and used business PCs.
You can get an MS-A1 barebones from minisforum right now for like 215 - BYO cpu, ddr5, and m2. But it’s got oculink on the back (the pcie dock is 100, but not mandatory if you’re not going to use it). I think it’s supposed to be on sale for another couple days.
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It runs on the gpu
Many LLM operations rely on fast memory and gpus seem to have that. Even though their memory is soldered and vbios is practically a black box that is tightly controlled. Nothing on a GPU is modular or repairable without soldering skills(and tools).
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The answer is that they're abandoning their principles to pursue some other market segment.
Although I guess it could be said to be like Porsche and Lamborghini selling SUVs to support the development of their sports cars...
I don't understand how that answers my question
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I don't understand how that answers my question
To be fair, you didn't ask a question. You made a statement and ended it with a question mark, so I don't really understand exactly what it is that you were asking.
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Which is fine, but there was no obligation for Framework to use that chip either.
That chip is one-of-a-kind. Most people and I are getting that PC just because of that chip and the price (the price is very reasonable). Without it that PC is not worth it at all.
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Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
From what I understand, they did try, but AMD couldn't get it to work because of signal integrity issues.
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Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
Because you’d get like half the memory bandwidth to a product where performance is most likely bandwidth limited. Signal integrity is a bitch.
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According to the CEO in the LTT video about this thing it was a design choice made by AMD because otherwise they cannot get the ram speed they advertise.
There's camm2, the new standard for high speed removable memory. Asus already has released a motherboard that uses it and it matches the 8000 mts of the framework.
Framework chose non upgradable because it was easier/cheaper. That's fine except Framework's entire marketing has been built around upgradeable hardware.
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Because you’d get like half the memory bandwidth to a product where performance is most likely bandwidth limited. Signal integrity is a bitch.
I thought LPCAMM was designed specifically to address the bandwidth and connectivity issues that crop up around high-bandwidth + low-voltage RAM?
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