"Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be" 💔🥀💔🥀
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I think the reason it's so prevalent here in the US is because the vast majority of the population ended up here at least in part due to immigration. So identifying as ethnically originating from elsewhere is a part of that self identity.
The disparity however, is knowing that while traveling through Europe, this style of self identification falls flat because simply being ethnically from a place doesn't mean you can claim to be born and raised from there. And that meaning is what's different between the US and Europe.
I wonder if some of it doesn't come from the people who came to America through forced immigration (I.e. the slave trade).
I think it makes sense for people brought unwillingly to America to hold on to that ethnic heritage and culture work hard to instill it in their children, even if they were born in America.
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What a fucking weird and racist post. "not even the Irish want to be Irish"
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What a fucking weird and racist post. "not even the Irish want to be Irish"
The Irish have had a very
shittytroubled past, is probably what they're getting at -
I wonder if some of it doesn't come from the people who came to America through forced immigration (I.e. the slave trade).
I think it makes sense for people brought unwillingly to America to hold on to that ethnic heritage and culture work hard to instill it in their children, even if they were born in America.
Very unlikely, the people who claim to have some european origin are generally not the descendants of slaves. Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors. Slaves in America came mostly from Africa, most likely even displaced within Africa. Very little records were kept of individual slaves origins, because why would anyone do that, they're slaves. These people identify as "just" African Americans.
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The Irish have had a very
shittytroubled past, is probably what they're getting atNah, don't agree. They established a hierarchy of "good nationalities" to be and put others like Irish and Lithuanian below them.
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Very unlikely, the people who claim to have some european origin are generally not the descendants of slaves. Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors. Slaves in America came mostly from Africa, most likely even displaced within Africa. Very little records were kept of individual slaves origins, because why would anyone do that, they're slaves. These people identify as "just" African Americans.
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about the people who claim to have some European origin but the practice in general in the US of acknowledging ancestral ethnic heritage as part of where you're from.
Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors.
This might be true now, but 200 years ago people were brought here from other countries unwillingly and had children here. If we're were forcefully taken to another country and then had children at some point I would talk to them about the people left behind and where I came from.
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My maternal great-grandfather fled Ireland after the Civil War ended because he was a republican fighter. Does that count?
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Eh it depends on who you are and where you're from. Chicago and Boston have a lot of Irish heritage. Everywhere else it's mostly just St. Patrick's Day, aka amateur night. So it's mostly just an excuse for the lightweights to go get drunk on shitty beer.
Seriously, who gets drunk on Miller or Budweiser? It's like trying to run a car engine on Kool-aid.
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I guess that makes sense. We have our "heritage" pushed on us from a very young age, or at least we did when I was a child. In the 4th grade we did an entire reenactment of immigrating through Ellis Island, NY in which we had to research our countries of origin, then draw from a hat to see if we died on the journey, got small pox, or any other number of things all before being "accepted into the wonderful cultural melting-pot that is the United States".
Then we grew up and learned that all immigrants are evil and must all be deported. /s?
Regardless, my family immigrated from Ireland after having lived in County Cork for a very long time. This whole post just seems like shitting on people just to shit on people.
Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be
Well, thanks for calling me sad for a thing I'm mostly indifferent about and have no choice in, OP.
What if you knew your family came over before Ellis island was open.
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We err they obsessed because red heada are hot and irish beer os better the American beer
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I think some people just like to be in touch with their ancestry which isn't suddenly cringe when you're white. But I think for some other people it's genuinely part of their victim complex. Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.
There is a difference between being in touch with your ancestry to claiming you are literally a nationality which you aren't. Americans always say "I'm Irish, Italian etc. etc." and proceeds to be the ultimate arbiter of what is real Irish, Italian etc., when in reality they had some great-grandparents in of their family tree branches who may have been of that nationality.
By all means be interested in your ancestry, study the archives, learn about your distant family, but it does not suddenly make you Irish, Italian etc., you are American.
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What a fucking weird and racist post. "not even the Irish want to be Irish"
Looks like it's just trying to be controversial. The Irish are fine, they have nothing to be ashamed of and lots to be proud of. Most of the world either doesn't know who they are or loves them.
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Eh it depends on who you are and where you're from. Chicago and Boston have a lot of Irish heritage. Everywhere else it's mostly just St. Patrick's Day, aka amateur night. So it's mostly just an excuse for the lightweights to go get drunk on shitty beer.
Seriously, who gets drunk on Miller or Budweiser? It's like trying to run a car engine on Kool-aid.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The population of Ireland is around 5.3 million. More than 6 million people have immigrated to the U.S. from there. Factor in kids, grandkids and such... It makes sense that there would be a number of people claiming Irish heritage. Also the number of people who find an Irish accent attractive is non-zero.
Edit: a quick search found 9.4% of the U.S. population is of Irish decent. (Mixed obviously). So more Irish than all Asian decents combined if I read it correctly.
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like.. were a nation of immigrants. it's part of your identity in the US.
We're all from Africa
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Irish and Italians are interesting because they were historically considered 'colored' or at least on the same societal rung as colored people.
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They want to be European, but don't want the stink of colonialism, whilst also feeling like rebels, so Ireland it is!
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What if you knew your family came over before Ellis island was open.
Didn't matter. Unless you were indigenous, for the lessons sake, you came through ellis island lol
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I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about the people who claim to have some European origin but the practice in general in the US of acknowledging ancestral ethnic heritage as part of where you're from.
Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors.
This might be true now, but 200 years ago people were brought here from other countries unwillingly and had children here. If we're were forcefully taken to another country and then had children at some point I would talk to them about the people left behind and where I came from.
If we're were forcefully taken to another country and then had children at some point I would talk to them about the people left behind and where I came from.
That’s not how that works, especially when their cultures were specifically purged by the slavers. Your comment reads like the equivalent of saying “I would have just roundhouse kicked the gun away and saved the day” as if it’s the slaves’ fault for not giving their kids rich lessons on their history. It’s amazing that even some of it survived at all.
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There are some great YouTube videos of Irish people having to deal with American tourists who think they’re Irish.
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I bet they also question "why would anyone want to be a woman?"
