Save The Planet
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Difference being AC per capita uses a shitload more energy than AI does per capita. Also in AI, the costly part is done once and is done till a new model gets trained. AC is on 24/7.
AC typically provides real value. (Not counting when people air condition empty rooms, but that's also a thing corporations typically do more).
AI is often worthless or counter productive.
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I don’t disagree with you but most of the energy that people complain about AI using is used to train the models, not use them. Once they are trained it is fast to get what you need out of it, but making the next version takes a long time.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Only because of brute force over efficient approaches.
Again, look up Deepseek's FP8/multi GPU training paper, and some of the code they published. They used a microscopic fraction of what OpenAI or X AI are using.
And models like SDXL or Flux are not that expensive to train.
It doesn’t have to be this way, but they can get away with it because being rich covers up internal dysfunction/isolation/whatever. Chinese trainers, and other GPU constrained ones, are forced to be thrifty.
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Not only are they cheaper than AC, but doing the math shows that they are more energy efficient than a human doing the same work, since humans operate at around 80-100W, 24 hours a day. (Assuming that the output is worth anything, of course.)
I think that’s going a bit far. ML models are tools to augment people, mostly.
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I think that’s going a bit far. ML models are tools to augment people, mostly.
Oh for sure. But if (for example) an artist can save time by tracing over an SDXL reference image, that is energy-efficient as well as time-efficient, despite most people claiming the contrary.
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Yeah, that thing that nobody wanted? Everybody has to have it. Fuck corporations and capitalism.
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Energy providers should install smart meters that shut off the power to AI server farms instead of residential air conditioners during peak loads.
what would you do if you asked llm master what fourier means and municipal grid said "no"
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Yeah, that thing that nobody wanted? Everybody has to have it. Fuck corporations and capitalism.
Oh, and you don't want it and want the stupid model? You can still buy it for 3x the price.
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Well if humans could run on coal it would be a valid argument...
Humans essentially do run on fossil fuels. Modern agriculture is very energy intensive.
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Apparently those flex requests aren't about saving the environment; it mostly has something to do with power grids needing to operate at a certain range at all times and spikes in demand fucks with that. That is to say, if they increase the energy produced, they actually have other problems at times of reduced demand, like at night or winter time. I'm paraphrasing from a pretty brief thing I heard over the radio, though, so I'm sure it's more complicated.
They still cut corners and cause wild fires because they don't update their tech and prefer to have things fail, though. Plenty of reasons to hate your private utility companies, lol
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It's misinformation that then makes people think "I can run my AC all day because AI uses up so much power to make one image" when it is not the case.
I'm going to run my AC all day (thermostat set to 75-76° F) no matter what the AI companies do anyway. Because it's hitting 90° F at 9:00am already by the end of June. July will be hotter as usual.
I'm not using AI for anything and I don't need it for anything. They can go ahead and turn off their bullshit for all I care. I may even buy a second AC unit for a backup in case my main one fails.
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our city’s solar electric subsidy program
It sounds like there's two different things there. There's a solar installation (hardware, etc.), and there's likely some kind of net metering program (where they pay you or give you credit for electricity you generate). That paragraph sounds like the first, but the phrase sounds like the second.
You shouldn't have to go through them for the solar installation, if your conditions accommodate it. Granted, the conditions don't apply to everyone. You'll want to have a suitable roof that ideally faces south-ish, own your home, and plan to stay there for at least 10 years. In the US, you also kind of need to get it done within this calendar year, which is a rough ask, before the federal 30% tax credit goes away. But maybe you can find an installer that isn't trying to scam you quite as much.
(It's early and cloudy today.)
Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.
My area has solar incentive programs that are run through the energy utility - meaning the state makes available zero-interest loans for the purposes of solar installation, but those loans are only available through an entity partnered with our utility. They limit the number of homes in each area that are eligible through this program so that solar generation never exceeds demand. Our home was eligible through the program, so I had them come out to give us a quote. Our utility is also transitioning to surge pricing and smart metering, so there's a pretty high demand for solar installation in my area and they know that they'd lose out on a lot of revenue if everyone installed their own solar systems.
A part of that process was them asking for the last year of energy bills, along with taking measurements and doing daylighting analysis on our roof area. At the end, they gave us a quote for a 15 year loan for the equipment and installation, and it just so happened that the monthly payment was the same as our average energy bill. I work in AEC and I know what solar panels cost, and they had inflated their price by more than double what it would cost at market rate.
Of course I could install my own panels, but it would be out-of-pocket and I would have to seek out and apply for out-of-state incentive programs myself, but I can't afford the up-front costs and the loan terms don't make sense for how long we'll be in this house. Id love nothing more than to do it myself, even at a loss if that's what it took, but I have a spouse that is less spiteful than I am.
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There is this system where we can compare the relative value of an activity and its relative impact on other activities. It's called prices. When you let them work correctly you don't have to guilt people.
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1 prompt is avg 1Wh of electricity -> typical AC runs avg 1,500 W = 2.4 seconds of AC per prompt.
Energy capacity is really not a problem first world countries should face. We have this solved and you're just taking the bait of blaming normal dudes using miniscule amounts of power while billionaires fly private jets for afternoon getaways.
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Generating an image of a girl with 5 tits takes like 400W running for a minute. Yet another post showing people who have no idea how AI works, why it uses electrical power and how much power it uses.
You know they have to train AI, right? Thousands of hours devouring our personal data on sites like Reddit and Facebook as well as copyrighted works just to get a LLM that's mostly usable but will still hallucinate...
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Also they can build nuclear power generators for the data centers but never for the residential power grid.
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They’re literally the same thing.
A traditional air conditioner provides only cooling by moving heat out of your home, primarily contributing to summer electricity peaks. In contrast, a heat pump offers both heating and cooling by simply reversing the refrigerant flow, making it a more versatile and energy-efficient solution for year-round comfort. While heat pumps increase overall electricity demand by electrifying heating, they also shift energy consumption patterns, creating a new winter peak for the grid to manage. However, this increased electrical load presents an opportunity for demand response, allowing smart heat pumps to adjust usage during peak times to balance the grid. Ultimately, widespread heat pump adoption, powered by a decarbonising electricity supply, is crucial for reducing fossil fuel reliance and achieving a greener energy system, albeit requiring significant grid infrastructure upgrades.
Is this an AI-generated response? On a post demonizing AI? Lol bold
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I don’t disagree with you but most of the energy that people complain about AI using is used to train the models, not use them. Once they are trained it is fast to get what you need out of it, but making the next version takes a long time.
people complain about AI using is used to train the models, not use them
that's absolutely not true. In fact, most people who complain don't even know the difference.
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There is this system where we can compare the relative value of an activity and its relative impact on other activities. It's called prices. When you let them work correctly you don't have to guilt people.
Data Center used LOBBYING.
It's super effective!
Data Center's power bill was reduced by 75%!
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You know they have to train AI, right? Thousands of hours devouring our personal data on sites like Reddit and Facebook as well as copyrighted works just to get a LLM that's mostly usable but will still hallucinate...
Yes, and you do the training once, and then millions of people use it. And it also isn't "thousands of hours". Compare that to AC - where each home runs a 3.2kW device that runs for hours, times a million people. It comes nowhere close.
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1 prompt is avg 1Wh of electricity -> typical AC runs avg 1,500 W = 2.4 seconds of AC per prompt.
Energy capacity is really not a problem first world countries should face. We have this solved and you're just taking the bait of blaming normal dudes using miniscule amounts of power while billionaires fly private jets for afternoon getaways.
A 12000 BTUs inverter split system at peak capacity requires less than 1500 W to run. After it reaches equilibrium it drops the power requirement significantly.
