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Italy to reintroduce nuclear power by 2030

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  • V [email protected]

    It’s worse: they are banking on fusion and SMR, which are pipe dreams even at twice the time scale:

    “We are looking at fusion and new-generation fission with completely different tools compared to large-scale nuclear plants of the past,” he stated.

    I hope they are lying knowing they are lying.

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    It is a great way to funnel money to your friends, let them get billions for doing some digging and pouring some concrete and then scrape the project claiming the science wasnt there yet.

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      The most recent European nuclear plants took close to 20 years to build. Even if everything goes according to plan, and in Italy it won't, they take around 10 years to build.

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      I completely agree.

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        The most recent European nuclear plants took close to 20 years to build. Even if everything goes according to plan, and in Italy it won't, they take around 10 years to build.

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        I'm fairly convinced that the main proponents of nuclear energy is the construction industry. 20+ year construction jobs in a highly regulated area (a perfect excuse for any sort of delay)? You don't get those very often.

        This goes doubly for Italy, where a significant part of that industry has a mafia issue.

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          Why is the article so uncritical? It just takes a quick wikipedia run to see how ludicrous this is:

          Fusion power is a proposed form of power generation that would generate electricity by using heat from nuclear fusion reactions.

          By 2030 they have that up and running? 🤣

          And "new-generation fission" is just a wishy-washy cover-your-ass term. Could mean anything. Wikipedia brings up a couple of pages that are again full of terms like "proposed", "suggested", "might".

          And then there's this:

          The Italian Council of Ministers approved a plan on Friday to revive nuclear power, reversing the anti-nuclear stance solidified by referendums in 1987 and 2011.


          I basically agree with the idea of reaching energy independence and carbon neutrality fast but this does not seem to be the way; the cynicism expressed in other comments is more realistic.

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            Meanwhile, Italy, one of the sunniest countries in EU, at about 11 % solar production. Spain is at 17 %, Greece at 19 %. Not so sunny Germany is at 12 %. Not sunny at all NL is at 17 %...

            Priorities

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              I'm fairly convinced that the main proponents of nuclear energy is the construction industry. 20+ year construction jobs in a highly regulated area (a perfect excuse for any sort of delay)? You don't get those very often.

              This goes doubly for Italy, where a significant part of that industry has a mafia issue.

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              Nuclear is also great news for the oil/gas industry that is worried how comparatively very quickly solar/wind power can be rolled out: states heavily into ideas that give very little bang per buck, take a very long time to realize, and which are usually fairly inflexible in their production.

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                Meanwhile, Italy, one of the sunniest countries in EU, at about 11 % solar production. Spain is at 17 %, Greece at 19 %. Not so sunny Germany is at 12 %. Not sunny at all NL is at 17 %...

                Priorities

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                Damn straight. Its all about development priorities!

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                  Nuclear in italy was (thankfully) ruled out by a referendum and another vote would need to be done. It's funny how the headline implies the government has somehow already decided to do it.

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                    The strategy focuses on advanced technologies, including Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), microreactors, and fourth-generation fission technology. The plan also includes investments in nuclear fusion, reflecting a long-term commitment to sustainable energy development.

                    Of course, the most hyped up tech producing the most expensive electricity in the current set of electricity generation.

                    Small reactors don’t add up as a viable energy source

                    Energy researchers say SMR promises don't match reality • The Register

                    Five Things the “Nuclear Bros” Don’t Want You to Know About Small Modular Reactors - Union of Concerned Scientists

                    The "nuclear will save us" discourse reminds me of Ilan Shor, the dude who stole a hefty chunk of Moldova's money. From his website:

                    https://web.archive.org/web/20221227002442/https://partidulsor.md/ the 4th item in the vertical list:

                    23122022 Ilan Șor: Vom construi centrale nucleare cu reactoare modulare mici, care vor permite asigurarea independenței energetice a Republicii Moldova

                    same "we'll use SMRs for energy independence"

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                      I'm fairly convinced that the main proponents of nuclear energy is the construction industry. 20+ year construction jobs in a highly regulated area (a perfect excuse for any sort of delay)? You don't get those very often.

                      This goes doubly for Italy, where a significant part of that industry has a mafia issue.

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                      Mafia translates to incompetence as nepotism, "higher orders", and quid pro quo take precedence over competence.

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                        Good luck!

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                          Wasting money on pipe dreams... because fossil fuel lobbyists want money that could be invested in actual solutions to vanish and corrupt morons love the idea of funneling money to their own or some friends' accounts.

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