New Refrigerators, Washing Machines, Furniture and Tires Will All Have to Last Longer, Europe Mandates
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We really need to stop with this “build to break” mentality for products. Our wastes, as humanity, would significantly lower and reduce wastes…. But hey, we also have to think of the investor's, right?
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Isn't this already a thing in the yearly technical check?
Did not happen here in Finland just a few days ago.
The way I see it, they check mostly for stuff that could result in unsafe breakage/conditions, endangering yourself and others.
Of course misaligned front tires aren't good even if you ignore tire wear, but they don't make your car a death trap.
Not saying I'm agreeing with this, just my observation. Some of the things that are important to them, while others aren't even checked, the logic eludes me.
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That's weird. I tried IKEA first and they died super quick too.
Only thing that makes sense to me is they are somehow overheating which doesn't make sense since they weren't fully enclosed and room temp is normal.Maybe I've give them ago again, it was 5+ years ago I tried them.
My first Led for a regular lamp at home was an Osram for nearly 20€. It died after ca. 3 years. After that Ikea had launched their cheap LEDs and I started buying them. I can't really say how long each of them lasted, but I moved and started reusing them in different lamps. I guess most of them are over 5 years old by now. Every now and then one of them dies but my subjective feelings is that they offer great value.
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Tiny plastic part that holds the handle to my fridge broke. Need a new 50 cent plastic part.
GE wants $200 to replace all 3 metal handle assemblies. Can't just get the plastic part, it comes in a bundle with all 3 metal handles. Which would immediately go in the garbage.
If we can't get them on the "intentionally gouging customers" angle, we can surely get them on the "creating excess waste" angle.
Find someone with a 3D printer?
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Well, for furniture, I totally agree with you and honestly: I don't think there is eomething wrong with redesigning your living room every 10 years, especially when you move around.
I mainly want to be able to buy old washing machines, dish washers, TVs, because I don't care about their appearance.
If it's quality furniture you can sell or donate it. If it's recent Ikea or other cheap stuff, it won't survive being disassembled, moved and reassembled. Ikea's surfaces scratch so easily, even on desks. It's ridiculous. That kind of fast furniture is terribly unsustainable. But I wouldn't be bothered if you bought a new sofa every ten years and make someone else happy with a used sofa that will last another ten years in it's new home.
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That feels like a move on the slippery slope from a market economy to a planning economy.
The objective is honorable, but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.
Instead of making those rules and establishing institutions that enforce them, the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively. Add the opportunity to finance more expensive but also more durable products easily and there is no need to suffocate everything in regulations.
Why can't you have both?
Create the best value for customers, but you have to adhere to these regulations.Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.
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That feels like a move on the slippery slope from a market economy to a planning economy.
The objective is honorable, but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.
Instead of making those rules and establishing institutions that enforce them, the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively. Add the opportunity to finance more expensive but also more durable products easily and there is no need to suffocate everything in regulations.
Ah, the dream of a libertarian paradise.
The promise of the EU were free markets
Free as in fewer hurdles between nations, not as in "the market will take care of everything".
but the opposite is happening.
Yeah, no. The EU has always strived for a balance there. You bringing up the spectre of "planning economy" is just fearmongering.
You wouldn't happen to work at the Internet Research Agency?
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The three biggest things that kill a tyre are;
- shitty roads
- aggressive driving
- heavy vehicles (like EVs and oversized SUVs)
That said, cheaper tyres are typically made of cheaper compounds that age poorly.
shitty roads
Cars (as you said, some more, some less) themselves destroy roads
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And work without apps.
You can buy LED lightbulbs that all have their own apps. It's getting ridiculous
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Wait what the fuck, you don't have yearly technical inspections there? So people can drive whatever deathtraps without functional brakes or shit?
It depends on the State.
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That feels like a move on the slippery slope from a market economy to a planning economy.
The objective is honorable, but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.
Instead of making those rules and establishing institutions that enforce them, the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively. Add the opportunity to finance more expensive but also more durable products easily and there is no need to suffocate everything in regulations.
Well you either have a plan to help people or the plan automatically devolves to “extract as much rent as possible from the people”.
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Electronics in general should last longer, just like back in the day.
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You can buy LED lightbulbs that all have their own apps. It's getting ridiculous
To be fair most do work without the app. The app is for remote control and other features like colors usually.
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Do like Dubai (for this instance) and demand better LED bulbs too.
Dude I love Big Clive.
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Why can't you have both?
Create the best value for customers, but you have to adhere to these regulations.Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.
Regulatory capture. It already exists in the housing market, medical equipment, medical drugs, etc.
There, things are more expensive than necessary.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
The shift in responsibility to the EU is not free. Of course, it costs some taxes to run the institutions that enforce the regulations. But who is supervising those institutions? That would be up to the citizens, instead of comparing products directly.
Are citizens going to do that? Have citizens checked the sourcing of the covid vaccines?
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I think about the lightbulb cartel all the time. How has no one managed to recreate those super long lasting bulbs in all this time?
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Well you either have a plan to help people or the plan automatically devolves to “extract as much rent as possible from the people”.
Yes, and that's why competition is needed so that the 'as much rent as possible' is minimized. I am not arguing against a helpful society. We don't exchange goods for compassion but for money so we need competition.
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Yes, and that's why competition is needed so that the 'as much rent as possible' is minimized. I am not arguing against a helpful society. We don't exchange goods for compassion but for money so we need competition.
We don't exchange goods for compassion
We actually do that all the time. Altruism takes many forms. Or if you wanna be a nerd you can call it Mutual Aid.
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but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.
You mean lower value should come from misleading advertisement, incomplete information, irrational behaviour of actors, and other forms of market failure. Because that is how it works out in the real world.
Also, quoth the constitution (or well what passes as one for the EU), Article 3(3) TEU:
The Union shall establish an internal market. It shall work for the sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.
Get out of here with Ayn Rand's fever dreams.
the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively
forms of market failure. Because that is how it works out in the real world
I think that it is better to improve the markets and minimize the market failures instead of trying to regulate everything.
Everything has to be checked by institutions if consumers are kept ignorant whereas competent consumers do that work for free.
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Electronics in general should last longer, just like back in the day.
Plenty of short-lived stuff back then, too. Survivorship bias means that all the stuff that happened to survive to today is not necessarily representative of the typical thing that was manufactured back then.
