Bike lanes on Richmond-San Rafael Bridge are contributing to pollution, drivers say
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Imagine moving your body to do something. Not in my america
Our founding fathers fought for my right to sit on the couch all day
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I'm genuinely too fatigued to figure out the logic behind this brainfart.
Can someone eli5 pls
Entitled people will grasp at any straw to blame everyone but themselves. While very blue, the Bay Area is still very car centric and people lose their minds over the slightest inconvenience against driving. I suspect their rationale here is that taking a lane away for driving and giving it to bikers means more traffic on the bridge and more pollution. Let’s not forget that all the people in Marin county routinely block initiatives to expand large scale public transit (ie our subway system BART) from SF and Contra Costa counties. They just want to drive their car and keep the “undesirables” out of their neighborhood.
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Entitled people will grasp at any straw to blame everyone but themselves. While very blue, the Bay Area is still very car centric and people lose their minds over the slightest inconvenience against driving. I suspect their rationale here is that taking a lane away for driving and giving it to bikers means more traffic on the bridge and more pollution. Let’s not forget that all the people in Marin county routinely block initiatives to expand large scale public transit (ie our subway system BART) from SF and Contra Costa counties. They just want to drive their car and keep the “undesirables” out of their neighborhood.
Makes sense, thanks.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32627207
What’s wild to me is that you can fully support bike lanes, but the moment you suggest we educate cyclist on how they work and cyclists flip out.
Like the mere mention of education sends them into convulsions.My town put up bike lanes everywhere, and I constantly have to dodge bikes on the sidewalk when I’m walking my toddler. And the bike lane next to the sidewalk sits empty right next to us. Most of the bike lanes are not on the road and if they are it’s never on a main or busy road.
I’ve heard complains that bike lanes can be scary for the cyclists, well you zipping by me and my kid is scary for the pedestrian.So I think educating cyclists on how bike lanes work and enforcing them is crucial, otherwise what’s the point of them? The sad part is when I say “we should build bike lanes and make sure the people using them are educated on how they work and how the road laws and pedestrian yielding works” and everyone loses their mind.
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What’s wild to me is that you can fully support bike lanes, but the moment you suggest we educate cyclist on how they work and cyclists flip out.
Like the mere mention of education sends them into convulsions.My town put up bike lanes everywhere, and I constantly have to dodge bikes on the sidewalk when I’m walking my toddler. And the bike lane next to the sidewalk sits empty right next to us. Most of the bike lanes are not on the road and if they are it’s never on a main or busy road.
I’ve heard complains that bike lanes can be scary for the cyclists, well you zipping by me and my kid is scary for the pedestrian.So I think educating cyclists on how bike lanes work and enforcing them is crucial, otherwise what’s the point of them? The sad part is when I say “we should build bike lanes and make sure the people using them are educated on how they work and how the road laws and pedestrian yielding works” and everyone loses their mind.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What do you mean, "educate cyclists on how bike lanes work"? They are there and you ride on them.
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What do you mean, "educate cyclists on how bike lanes work"? They are there and you ride on them.
There’s the problem, that’s all you think it is? Is that why cyclists are unable to signal and yield and have any sort of common courtesy. Why is education a dirty word to cyclists?
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There’s the problem, that’s all you think it is? Is that why cyclists are unable to signal and yield and have any sort of common courtesy. Why is education a dirty word to cyclists?
I'm dutch and grew up in the Netherlands, they're so ubiquitous here you learn at a young age and so many people are cycling it is easy to learn from looking at what others do and still we have kids do an exam in the last year before high school, they have to learn the rules and cycle a certain route while people in plain clothes check if you know them.
On the other hand, that is necessary because kids would otherwise learn the rules way later when trying to get their drivers license. I can imagine someone who knows the rules for cars would feel belittled by having to be educated on something 'inferior' after they already got their drivers license.
But I wonder, do people not follow the rules because they don't know them (= they need to be educated) or because they don't like them (= the rules need to be enforced)?
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32627207
Just one more lane bro
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I'm dutch and grew up in the Netherlands, they're so ubiquitous here you learn at a young age and so many people are cycling it is easy to learn from looking at what others do and still we have kids do an exam in the last year before high school, they have to learn the rules and cycle a certain route while people in plain clothes check if you know them.
On the other hand, that is necessary because kids would otherwise learn the rules way later when trying to get their drivers license. I can imagine someone who knows the rules for cars would feel belittled by having to be educated on something 'inferior' after they already got their drivers license.
But I wonder, do people not follow the rules because they don't know them (= they need to be educated) or because they don't like them (= the rules need to be enforced)?
That's a big part of if, it’s not so much a cyclist issue as it’s a “North Americans are inconsiderate assholes” issue, no matter what mode of transport. All the motorists are assholes here, so are the cyclists and the transit riders, assholes all.
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What’s wild to me is that you can fully support bike lanes, but the moment you suggest we educate cyclist on how they work and cyclists flip out.
Like the mere mention of education sends them into convulsions.My town put up bike lanes everywhere, and I constantly have to dodge bikes on the sidewalk when I’m walking my toddler. And the bike lane next to the sidewalk sits empty right next to us. Most of the bike lanes are not on the road and if they are it’s never on a main or busy road.
I’ve heard complains that bike lanes can be scary for the cyclists, well you zipping by me and my kid is scary for the pedestrian.So I think educating cyclists on how bike lanes work and enforcing them is crucial, otherwise what’s the point of them? The sad part is when I say “we should build bike lanes and make sure the people using them are educated on how they work and how the road laws and pedestrian yielding works” and everyone loses their mind.
Its not about education its about proper planning to make them simple. When the lane lasts for half a street then randomly ends or has no plan that's why people stop using them.
