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    France this week warned that failure to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran could lead to war, further raising tensions in an already volatile region.

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      France this week warned that failure to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran could lead to war, further raising tensions in an already volatile region.

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      You mean that if peace negotiation fail war will come ? No shit sherlock ?

      Joke aside, The way trump treated DPRK and Iran during his first term was like praise people who build their own nuke despite embargo, and punish the one who negotiate the ability to develop civil nuclear infrastructure

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        France this week warned that failure to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran could lead to war, further raising tensions in an already volatile region.

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        Since Obama left office there has been strong bipartisan motivation in the US to go to war with Iran. Israel has always been salivating at the idea of the US doing the dirt work for them in fighting a long and hard war with Iran while Israel can enjoy the view.

        Geopolitical analysts warn that it is foolish to believe to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons by attacking them. On the contrary the policies of escalation by the US and Israel are motivating Iran to pursue nuclear weapons to protect itself from further attacks. If Iran acquiries nuclear weapons, it will lead to a nuclear arms race in the region as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkiye and other western allied countries will perceive a nuclear armed Iran as a strategic threat. I would not be surprised if there is some strategists in Israel and the US who have a fever dream of having Arabs, Turks and Persians annihilate each other, so Israel can invade the remains more easily.

        In terms of foreign policy the JCPOA agreement was the greatest achievement of Obama. It could have laid the groundwork to deescalate and create long lasting stability in the Region. Something that Israel and the War Hawks in the US (bipartisan) fundamentally oppose. The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism. Again something the Fascists in the US, Israel and possibly Russia are salivating at.

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          Since Obama left office there has been strong bipartisan motivation in the US to go to war with Iran. Israel has always been salivating at the idea of the US doing the dirt work for them in fighting a long and hard war with Iran while Israel can enjoy the view.

          Geopolitical analysts warn that it is foolish to believe to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons by attacking them. On the contrary the policies of escalation by the US and Israel are motivating Iran to pursue nuclear weapons to protect itself from further attacks. If Iran acquiries nuclear weapons, it will lead to a nuclear arms race in the region as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkiye and other western allied countries will perceive a nuclear armed Iran as a strategic threat. I would not be surprised if there is some strategists in Israel and the US who have a fever dream of having Arabs, Turks and Persians annihilate each other, so Israel can invade the remains more easily.

          In terms of foreign policy the JCPOA agreement was the greatest achievement of Obama. It could have laid the groundwork to deescalate and create long lasting stability in the Region. Something that Israel and the War Hawks in the US (bipartisan) fundamentally oppose. The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism. Again something the Fascists in the US, Israel and possibly Russia are salivating at.

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          The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism.

          Did the EU fall in line? I mean they dropped the ball hard but didn't they try to continue the agreement after US withdrawal?

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            The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism.

            Did the EU fall in line? I mean they dropped the ball hard but didn't they try to continue the agreement after US withdrawal?

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            The EU joined in on US sanctions. Initially a mechanism was proposed to trade with direct exchange of goods but never established. Once Iran started to not follow their side of the deal after having had sanctions imposed despite following the agreement, EU countries like Germany shifted blame on Iran. Later renegotiation attempts under Biden failed.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Trump_administration_(2017)

            https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/jcpoa-iran-restrictive-measures/#United States withdrawal

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              The EU joined in on US sanctions. Initially a mechanism was proposed to trade with direct exchange of goods but never established. Once Iran started to not follow their side of the deal after having had sanctions imposed despite following the agreement, EU countries like Germany shifted blame on Iran. Later renegotiation attempts under Biden failed.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Trump_administration_(2017)

              https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/jcpoa-iran-restrictive-measures/#United States withdrawal

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              I can't find anything in these links about the EU reinstating sanctions, only keeping sanctions that hadn't yet been lifted.

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                I can't find anything in these links about the EU reinstating sanctions, only keeping sanctions that hadn't yet been lifted.

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                It is worded in a confusing way, you are correct. The EU seems to differ between "Sanctions" and "restrictive measures". But this seems to be more of a word play, as in another case the terms are used interchangeably by the EU Council.

                See the timeline they linked under the article

                https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions-against-iran/timeline-measures-targeting-nuclear-proliferation-activities/

                2016 16 January
                Council lifts all nuclear-related economic and financial EU sanctions

                On Implementation Day, the Council lifted all nuclear-related economic and financial EU sanctions against Iran. This follows verification by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that Iran has implemented the agreed nuclear-related measures as set out in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

                2022 17 October
                Council maintains restrictive measures after the JCPOA Transition Day

                The Council decided to take the necessary steps to maintain the restrictive measures under the EU non-proliferation regime on Iran.
                The Council concluded that there are valid reasons to refrain from lifting these restrictions on Transition Day (18 October 2023), as originally envisaged under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

                As for the reimposed US sanctions in 2018 the EU did extend their Blocking statute to prohibit EU companies from complying with US sanctions, but practically without effect. The proposed clearing house to allow for trade outside the bank system subject to US sanction enforcement never came to life afaik now.

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                  Since Obama left office there has been strong bipartisan motivation in the US to go to war with Iran. Israel has always been salivating at the idea of the US doing the dirt work for them in fighting a long and hard war with Iran while Israel can enjoy the view.

                  Geopolitical analysts warn that it is foolish to believe to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons by attacking them. On the contrary the policies of escalation by the US and Israel are motivating Iran to pursue nuclear weapons to protect itself from further attacks. If Iran acquiries nuclear weapons, it will lead to a nuclear arms race in the region as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkiye and other western allied countries will perceive a nuclear armed Iran as a strategic threat. I would not be surprised if there is some strategists in Israel and the US who have a fever dream of having Arabs, Turks and Persians annihilate each other, so Israel can invade the remains more easily.

                  In terms of foreign policy the JCPOA agreement was the greatest achievement of Obama. It could have laid the groundwork to deescalate and create long lasting stability in the Region. Something that Israel and the War Hawks in the US (bipartisan) fundamentally oppose. The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism. Again something the Fascists in the US, Israel and possibly Russia are salivating at.

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                  I would not be surprised if there is some strategists in Israel and the US who have a fever dream of having Arabs, Turks and Persians annihilate each other, so Israel can invade the remains more easily.

                  I’m not sure if Israel would be that safe in the midst of that specific scenario.

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                    France this week warned that failure to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran could lead to war, further raising tensions in an already volatile region.

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                    Why are there no nuclear talks about the genocidal zios?

                    Empire won't even admit that their nuclear threat exists.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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                      I would not be surprised if there is some strategists in Israel and the US who have a fever dream of having Arabs, Turks and Persians annihilate each other, so Israel can invade the remains more easily.

                      I’m not sure if Israel would be that safe in the midst of that specific scenario.

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                      They probably wont be. But they never lost a war, prior to October 7 thought to have become more or less invincible and believe the US and European allies to put themselves on the chopping block for them indefinitely.

                      Israel as a society is on a path of escalating Fascism. These always are self destructive in the end, but accompanied by delusions of grandeur up until one step before the end.

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