Do you feel sad for people born today?
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I tried but you couldn't wrap.your head around it
wrote last edited by [email protected]But you just gave the same reasons people have been giving forever. That's not very nuanced. Things are measurably different now
If you're using the same perspective thinking about this that our parents did, then we're truly getting nowhereEdit: Or maybe what you're saying is we need to have kids so they can be raised to be some kind of revolutionary super soldiers?
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Not in the least.
You should look at people born in the past.
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Gf and I talk about this a lot. Both want kids but I don't know how to feel about this world anymore. I come from generational wealth so could just buy the kids houses but I feel like it's still going to be super shitty overall
wrote last edited by [email protected]You really shouldn't let the state of the world breed you out of the gene pool.
Also, consider how humans in the past lived. Most of them had way, way worse lives than what the average person experiences today.
It's not even close. Take a look at what life was like before we eradicated Smallpox, for example.
Right now is unironically the safest, most prosperous time in human history to have children.
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Climate change is the number one thing. The past had fascism, tools, slavery - but it didn't have an Extinction level event looming just cresting over the horizon. I'm not having any kids until there is actual meaningful progress towards fixing that... So it looks like I'm not having kids.
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Tell it to the young American men who were drafted into the Vietnam War, and were dead 3 months after receiving their notices to report.
I am quite certain they would be happy to hear that their friends and family back home continued to live on past them.
Climate change is the sort of existential threat that will literally kill every single person you've ever met. It is not the same. If I could volunteer to give my own life to reverse catastrophic climate change it wouldn't even be a question. But no matter how many of us go and die about it we are now past the point where we can make a difference. The ice caps are in runaway melt loops. This is now a self perpetuating problem that cannot be solved without some new major scientific breakthrough. Habitable portions of the earth are going to shrink to single digit percentages of what we have right now, over the next couple hundred years. We can no longer stop this from happening, and it all happened because some of the very worst parts of humanity decided they needed a few extra thousand dollars every year.
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No I find that line of thinking cringe and a terminally online position
Ill bet i touch more grass than the average lemming-i just enjoy conversation with others with differing views.
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Children born today will have to kill other human beings to obtain clean water within their lifetime.
It really comes down to if you think that's an acceptable world to have kids in.
I weep for the youth personally.
Maybe their children. I dont think its quite that bad yet.
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There's more to see of yourself in a child than physical features, just saying. Not that I can talk, I have 2 grown kids
Yeah i know that, i selfishly want to try to spawn a new guitar hero lol
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Climate change is the number one thing. The past had fascism, tools, slavery - but it didn't have an Extinction level event looming just cresting over the horizon. I'm not having any kids until there is actual meaningful progress towards fixing that... So it looks like I'm not having kids.
Of course it did.
If not for the courage and conviction of Vasily Arkhipov, civilization, and potentially humanity, may have ended in 1964. People had kids for 30 years under the very real threat of nuclear extermination. In the end it turned out pretty well.
People had kids during the black plague.
While a climate crisis is more than just a threat, we don't know what's going to happen. We have ideas, and models, and educated guesses... But not knowledge.
I wouldn't tell anyone to have kids if they don't want to. But no one should plan their life around sparing a hypothetical person from the hypothetical struggles of a slow moving crisis we don't fully understand.
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You are born in the very very very best stretch the human race has ever known.
We have solutions for almost every problem which exists today.
Wars are at an historical low point.
Chances are good you've never been even experienced war first hand.
Housing is expensive, yes. But chances are you're reading this on a couch or bed in a home, heated (or cooled), with a working stove, light at night and a fridge with edibles in it. And lets not talk about your immediate almost unrestricted access to all of human knowledge.
That would be unbelievable, impossible even during 99.9% of human history. (Or somewhere near this figure)
You should stop doomscrolling and start reading the real human history.
All of human knowledge at your fingertips. And this is what you chose to distill from it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I get what you are saying but everyone is ignoring the human condition. We feel things based on how they are around us in a relative sense.
It doesn't matter if it is statistically better. Modern times are getting worse for people. Health, privacy, freedom are all declining in America. That is what people see and feel. I'm tired of people acting like we have life horizons that can see centuries.
Chronic health is a real current issue and it absolutely destroys quality of life too.
So yeah, great, best time to be alive. But since I was a kid many things have gotten worse. From health (cost, accessibility) and education to privacy. Maybe we will be much farther ahead in 20 years, but the next 10 are looking grim.
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Nah fuck them kids
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This is such an odd conversation. I provided many charts, many numbers to look at, and you're still arguing, what exactly?
BTW, Boomers were my parents, and I still have no idea what propaganda you're referring to. If anything, American propaganda has always been about how violent the world is and how we need more defense spending.
Can you name any propaganda where the government has espoused how peaceful the world is?!
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Nah fuck them kids
Ok, Drumpf
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I dont care what people do. But they should put a little more thought into it other than "I human. Must make babby". I can guarantee you a very large amount of the population thinks this way.
the fertility numbers no longer support this racist/classist trope. I am sure you got some anecdotes tho...
you are about 10 years late to this shill OP.
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Unclear. Maybe things are going to get better; it's happened before right?
It hasn't been all bad news lately, too. If you're not straight, cis, or from the the West, being a boomer wasn't such a great deal.
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I like to think my family has always paid it forward and I would raise my kids to be the same
That was a really fucked up comment honestly lol
It is a zero sum game under the current rules... that commenter is just stating mathematical reality of how the money is distributed within American society.
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Yeah I'm not like a multimillionaire. I was thinking more along the lines of two kids I would each buy a 1 bedroom apartment kind of thing
In US having a personal residence and being able to buy 2 more will require about million in of itself alone...
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I like to think my family has always paid it forward and I would raise my kids to be the same
That was a really fucked up comment honestly lol
I'm glad to hear that, but that's not fool-proof. The Kennedy family was raised to offer strong support to their community and nation, but they still spawned RFK, Jr., who is even despised by his own family.
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Climate change is the number one thing. The past had fascism, tools, slavery - but it didn't have an Extinction level event looming just cresting over the horizon. I'm not having any kids until there is actual meaningful progress towards fixing that... So it looks like I'm not having kids.
Not to mention that one of the easiest ways to combat climate change is to simply not bring more humans into the world.
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I'm glad to hear that, but that's not fool-proof. The Kennedy family was raised to offer strong support to their community and nation, but they still spawned RFK, Jr., who is even despised by his own family.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Touch grass bro
Like you are comparing me to a family as powerful as the kennedy family? You are delusional
I'm not that rich or influential lmao
