Do you feel sad for people born today?
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Since the industrial revolution, fossil fuels were the only affordable energy sources that could meet the demand of industrialized countries. Until 5-10 years ago.
We're now in a situation where most people can still pretend that climate change isn't serious, and the fossil fuel lobby is stronger than ever. And yet over 90% of new electricity generation is already renewable, because it has simply become cheaper than coal and gas power in the last years.
As climate impacts worsen, the pressure to decarbonize will only get larger. The lobbies have been fighting tooth and nail against the energy transition for over 40 years, but they are rapidly loosing ground now in most countries.
It's right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic. Just comparing the battery prices and solar panel prices and ev market with 10 years ago reveals a truly massive shift. And this is just the beginning of the energy transition.
It's right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic.
Ok, what about when you also factor in resource depletion? Is it right to be fatalistic yet?
Because from where I'm standing, it doesn't look like there's much of a future for anything on this planet when Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn and 90 per cent of Earth’s topsoil is at risk of depletion by 2050.
How will the billions of children born in this decade, survive in an increasingly polluted and hot future, with no fresh water or arable land?
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Life will be harder but your kids might make it better for the others
Will you be telling your kids this? That you created them as a sacrifice for a chance at making life better for other people?
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Yeah, the world is overrun with dragons right now. It sucks.
But I suppose it's about one's perspective as to the point of life: Is the ideal life one of ease and leisure or of purpose?
We can choose to spite the dragons by voluntarily going extinct, or we can pass down the very best of ourselves and be good examples to raise dragon slayers to take up the mantle, whilst learning from our missteps.
I choose a perspective of hope and responsibility to humanity.
Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to overcome a difficult one.
--Bruce LeeThere's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for.
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Breeders, oy..... So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
Lmao, did you really just tell someone to kill themselves because they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
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Windows 11 laptops requires a webcam. The internet now wants selfies to prove that you are a certain age.
The kids now will grow up thinking that this is normal. That is what I am worried about.
We definitely need to be loud about counter-education campaigns against this.
Pushing the masses and the corporate status quo is a Herculean task, but even things as simple as retro computing and electronics / maker clubs and endeavors like Archive.org keep that spirit alive.
Heck, "The Indie Web" is even making a resurgence, many times in pure opposition to what the web has become. Things like this make me hopeful!
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Hey there, I’ll try to clear things up a bit. At this point in time, here’s a list of things going on in the world:
1.) Collapse of world democracies- the US is fascist now with several countries on their way. It’s a reasonable assumption that a child born today will experience less freedom than you ever have.
2.) Collapse of the environment. - The planet is becoming uninhabitable. 60% of insect species are gone. Temperatures are rising. There’s more than a few inferences that can be made from this…
3.) Collapse of the middle class - it kinda ties into #1, and a lot of people have seen this coming for a while too. We’re being split into an ownership class and a working class. If that divide continues growing (like graphs would indicate) we’re heading towards a neo-feudalist state. That’s not a pleasant experience for anyone other than those at the top. I’m not at the top, you probably aren’t either.
4.) Idiocracy Effect - the beginning part of idiocracy, where it’s explained that dumb people are popping out 10 kids while intelligent people are spending years planning their first. If you are one of the smart people, you’d be forcing a new version of yourself to live in a world with exponentially more dumb people than the world you live in today. If you’re one of the dumb people, well….
The last one doesn’t get a #, but I also have questions surrounding consent for existence. I won’t get into that because I don’t have a fully formulated opinion on that specific area yet. I’m still working it out for myself.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Might want to add resource depletion to your list.
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn and 90 per cent of Earth’s topsoil at risk by 2050
Fresh water is already low in many places and with no water or arable land to grow food in, that's not a future that anyone is surviving.
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I think we are in for a very hard 30-50 years politically and economically speaking.
Current young people are already poorer than their parents, and that's not getting solved. Next generation will be poorer and we will have to factor in a lot of tensions and unsolved problems that I think will derive in violence, a lot of violence. And very heavy societal collapses.
Maybe I'm dramatic, but the other day I thought that's not unlikely that a "western" country will experience a famine in the next 50 years. Many don't produce enough food for themselves by far, the moment they don't have the money or the possibility to buy it from other countries... Starvation it is. And with a growing population getting near the 10 billion humans, a few years of globally bad crops could devastate humankind.
So, yep, I think kids today are in for really hard times.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe I'm dramatic, but the other day I thought that's not unlikely that a "western" country will experience a famine in the next 50 years.
Drought and famine are coming for everyone in the next 50 years.
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn
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Lmao, did you really just tell someone to kill themselves because they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
Lmao hurr durr..... Where did I tell someone to kill themselves?
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Lmao hurr durr..... Where did I tell someone to kill themselves?
So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
What do you think it means when you say this?
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So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
What do you think it means when you say this?
The question mark at the end means it's a question, seems a pretty fair question to me. If there's nothing for kids to be here for, and it's a miserable shithole, and ruining the planet, why would you want to be here either?
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I'm not trying, nor will I ever try, to justify a goddamned thing to a hateful fuck like you, just pointing out you're a logically inconsistent hypocrite.
You haven't done anything of the sort. The only reason why I'm still here is for others. Are you telling me that the only reason why children exist is for the benefit of others? That's really fucking disturbing.
You're mad because you know that I'm right. You're mad because you know that the creation of children cannot be justified in this day and age. You're mad because somewhere inside your skull, you've come to the realization that (if you've created children) you've brought them into what is very likely a doomed world in which they will eventually experience a hell like nothing any other human had ever experienced.
Good job, you selfish asshole. Your children may one day grow to be miserable and ask you why you had to bring them into the world. Then you will have to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them that it was all about your own happiness, not theirs.
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The question mark at the end means it's a question, seems a pretty fair question to me. If there's nothing for kids to be here for, and it's a miserable shithole, and ruining the planet, why would you want to be here either?
Lmao, did you really just ask someone why they won't kill themselves if they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
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Lmao, did you really just ask someone why they won't kill themselves if they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
WTF are you talking about? Reading comprehension, give it a shot.
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You haven't done anything of the sort. The only reason why I'm still here is for others. Are you telling me that the only reason why children exist is for the benefit of others? That's really fucking disturbing.
You're mad because you know that I'm right. You're mad because you know that the creation of children cannot be justified in this day and age. You're mad because somewhere inside your skull, you've come to the realization that (if you've created children) you've brought them into what is very likely a doomed world in which they will eventually experience a hell like nothing any other human had ever experienced.
Good job, you selfish asshole. Your children may one day grow to be miserable and ask you why you had to bring them into the world. Then you will have to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them that it was all about your own happiness, not theirs.
Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.
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Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.
Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.
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Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.
Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.
Ha, classic!
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I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I am open minded towards the idea that it might be a problem. To me is sounds logical. Assume a 40 hour work week. A quick cost benefit analysis of life reveals numbers that don't check out. Time to sleep + time to get ready for work + eat + commute + work shitty job all day + commute again + eat + any chores or shit that you have to do = about 4 hours a day free. Factor in a 4 hours of errands like getting groceries, various things, and chores = 4 hours per week. So you have to sleep 16 hour over weekend. That leaves approx 48 awake hours of free time a week assuming there are no children or aging parents to care for. Most of which I personally spend exhausted from all the other shit. I think there are 168 hours in a week. 56 of those are sleep. That leaves only 48 hours a week out of the 112 you are awake that you do not spend doing shit you do not want to be doing. 64 hours bullshit, only 48 hours to recharge and fit relaxation into hectic week. Bless you if you live in India or Japan with a 60-80 hour workweek. Thats 84 hours of bullshit with 28 recovery hours, or 104 hours bullshit, with 8 hours a week to recover.
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I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
Also, I would really like to debate if my way of thinking is problematic. I genuinely would like to know, but it might just be a matter of opinion. Psychiatry seems like a gaslighting industry selling pills sometimes, so who knows.
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So are you implying that you'd only have kids if you could ensure they'd be bourgeoisie, exploiting others for their own benefits?
I think the society fixing angle is naive. I sure wasn't that kid, I don't know anyone else who is, and now there's some kids who seem to be doing the opposite.
"Kindness" is weapons grade copium. Think of it instead like your average CFD bet or any other financial investment - first the fundamentals must be sound, then you invest, not the other way around - you wouldn't invest in a failing business just in case it could turn around, unless you're private equity and have other private equity firms lining up for your sucker special suite of bang-em-and-bin-em retirement home joints.
I've never seen hobbit/lord of rings and I don't watch or care for fantasy. You don't keep darkness at bay - you stare right into the void and grab it by the balls, then you invest.
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:::I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.
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I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.
They're participants in the class war on the side of bourgeoisie by virtue of existing and pushing wages down. We need to fight to give kids a world with hope.
