Do you feel sad for people born today?
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Hey there, I’ll try to clear things up a bit. At this point in time, here’s a list of things going on in the world:
1.) Collapse of world democracies- the US is fascist now with several countries on their way. It’s a reasonable assumption that a child born today will experience less freedom than you ever have.
2.) Collapse of the environment. - The planet is becoming uninhabitable. 60% of insect species are gone. Temperatures are rising. There’s more than a few inferences that can be made from this…
3.) Collapse of the middle class - it kinda ties into #1, and a lot of people have seen this coming for a while too. We’re being split into an ownership class and a working class. If that divide continues growing (like graphs would indicate) we’re heading towards a neo-feudalist state. That’s not a pleasant experience for anyone other than those at the top. I’m not at the top, you probably aren’t either.
4.) Idiocracy Effect - the beginning part of idiocracy, where it’s explained that dumb people are popping out 10 kids while intelligent people are spending years planning their first. If you are one of the smart people, you’d be forcing a new version of yourself to live in a world with exponentially more dumb people than the world you live in today. If you’re one of the dumb people, well….
The last one doesn’t get a #, but I also have questions surrounding consent for existence. I won’t get into that because I don’t have a fully formulated opinion on that specific area yet. I’m still working it out for myself.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Might want to add resource depletion to your list.
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn and 90 per cent of Earth’s topsoil at risk by 2050
Fresh water is already low in many places and with no water or arable land to grow food in, that's not a future that anyone is surviving.
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I think we are in for a very hard 30-50 years politically and economically speaking.
Current young people are already poorer than their parents, and that's not getting solved. Next generation will be poorer and we will have to factor in a lot of tensions and unsolved problems that I think will derive in violence, a lot of violence. And very heavy societal collapses.
Maybe I'm dramatic, but the other day I thought that's not unlikely that a "western" country will experience a famine in the next 50 years. Many don't produce enough food for themselves by far, the moment they don't have the money or the possibility to buy it from other countries... Starvation it is. And with a growing population getting near the 10 billion humans, a few years of globally bad crops could devastate humankind.
So, yep, I think kids today are in for really hard times.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe I'm dramatic, but the other day I thought that's not unlikely that a "western" country will experience a famine in the next 50 years.
Drought and famine are coming for everyone in the next 50 years.
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn
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Lmao, did you really just tell someone to kill themselves because they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
Lmao hurr durr..... Where did I tell someone to kill themselves?
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Lmao hurr durr..... Where did I tell someone to kill themselves?
So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
What do you think it means when you say this?
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So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
What do you think it means when you say this?
The question mark at the end means it's a question, seems a pretty fair question to me. If there's nothing for kids to be here for, and it's a miserable shithole, and ruining the planet, why would you want to be here either?
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I'm not trying, nor will I ever try, to justify a goddamned thing to a hateful fuck like you, just pointing out you're a logically inconsistent hypocrite.
You haven't done anything of the sort. The only reason why I'm still here is for others. Are you telling me that the only reason why children exist is for the benefit of others? That's really fucking disturbing.
You're mad because you know that I'm right. You're mad because you know that the creation of children cannot be justified in this day and age. You're mad because somewhere inside your skull, you've come to the realization that (if you've created children) you've brought them into what is very likely a doomed world in which they will eventually experience a hell like nothing any other human had ever experienced.
Good job, you selfish asshole. Your children may one day grow to be miserable and ask you why you had to bring them into the world. Then you will have to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them that it was all about your own happiness, not theirs.
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The question mark at the end means it's a question, seems a pretty fair question to me. If there's nothing for kids to be here for, and it's a miserable shithole, and ruining the planet, why would you want to be here either?
Lmao, did you really just ask someone why they won't kill themselves if they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
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Lmao, did you really just ask someone why they won't kill themselves if they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
WTF are you talking about? Reading comprehension, give it a shot.
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You haven't done anything of the sort. The only reason why I'm still here is for others. Are you telling me that the only reason why children exist is for the benefit of others? That's really fucking disturbing.
You're mad because you know that I'm right. You're mad because you know that the creation of children cannot be justified in this day and age. You're mad because somewhere inside your skull, you've come to the realization that (if you've created children) you've brought them into what is very likely a doomed world in which they will eventually experience a hell like nothing any other human had ever experienced.
Good job, you selfish asshole. Your children may one day grow to be miserable and ask you why you had to bring them into the world. Then you will have to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them that it was all about your own happiness, not theirs.
Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.
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Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.
Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.
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Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.
Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.
Ha, classic!
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I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I am open minded towards the idea that it might be a problem. To me is sounds logical. Assume a 40 hour work week. A quick cost benefit analysis of life reveals numbers that don't check out. Time to sleep + time to get ready for work + eat + commute + work shitty job all day + commute again + eat + any chores or shit that you have to do = about 4 hours a day free. Factor in a 4 hours of errands like getting groceries, various things, and chores = 4 hours per week. So you have to sleep 16 hour over weekend. That leaves approx 48 awake hours of free time a week assuming there are no children or aging parents to care for. Most of which I personally spend exhausted from all the other shit. I think there are 168 hours in a week. 56 of those are sleep. That leaves only 48 hours a week out of the 112 you are awake that you do not spend doing shit you do not want to be doing. 64 hours bullshit, only 48 hours to recharge and fit relaxation into hectic week. Bless you if you live in India or Japan with a 60-80 hour workweek. Thats 84 hours of bullshit with 28 recovery hours, or 104 hours bullshit, with 8 hours a week to recover.
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I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
Also, I would really like to debate if my way of thinking is problematic. I genuinely would like to know, but it might just be a matter of opinion. Psychiatry seems like a gaslighting industry selling pills sometimes, so who knows.
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So are you implying that you'd only have kids if you could ensure they'd be bourgeoisie, exploiting others for their own benefits?
I think the society fixing angle is naive. I sure wasn't that kid, I don't know anyone else who is, and now there's some kids who seem to be doing the opposite.
"Kindness" is weapons grade copium. Think of it instead like your average CFD bet or any other financial investment - first the fundamentals must be sound, then you invest, not the other way around - you wouldn't invest in a failing business just in case it could turn around, unless you're private equity and have other private equity firms lining up for your sucker special suite of bang-em-and-bin-em retirement home joints.
I've never seen hobbit/lord of rings and I don't watch or care for fantasy. You don't keep darkness at bay - you stare right into the void and grab it by the balls, then you invest.
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:::I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.
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I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.
They're participants in the class war on the side of bourgeoisie by virtue of existing and pushing wages down. We need to fight to give kids a world with hope.
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They're participants in the class war on the side of bourgeoisie by virtue of existing and pushing wages down. We need to fight to give kids a world with hope.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What are you on about? Nobody gets to choose to be born or where they are. You can't just say "everyone is burger-z because they exist and that brings wages down." That shit doesnt make any sense. They are children. They dont even have fucken jobs to push wages down with.
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if it happened tomorrow
it's happening NOW.
buildout all the grid you can, it won't be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone's fucked.
Is dying your retirement plan
Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/potentially-record-breaking-heat-wave-180834697.html
stick your head back in the sand and stop replying if you can't support your argument.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00239-4
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/european-heat-deaths_n_6798bfe6e4b0e3bbf46ca2ad
https://www.newsweek.com/extreme-heat-killing-more-americans-ever-1811274
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/report-extreme-heat-us-climate-crisis_n_61313a6ce4b0df9fe273debf
wrote last edited by [email protected]it’s happening NOW.
Oh, so it's over a moment from NOW?
Nah, it's slowly and continuously happening. It has been for decades, although with greater rate as we've ignored it.
buildout all the grid you can, it won’t be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone’s fucked.
We'll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we won't directly cook. It's more than now, but not massively more.
Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.
No u.
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it’s happening NOW.
Oh, so it's over a moment from NOW?
Nah, it's slowly and continuously happening. It has been for decades, although with greater rate as we've ignored it.
buildout all the grid you can, it won’t be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone’s fucked.
We'll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we won't directly cook. It's more than now, but not massively more.
Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.
No u.
still can't support your argument.
We’ll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we’ll be fine. It’s more than now, but not massively more.
you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. switzerland, alone, with it's world class infrastructure, is going to have to bring on 40gw of new power:
https://www.myscience.org/news/wire/is_air_conditioning_a_threat_to_the_power_grid-2024-epfl
"The additional demand is impacting local power grids, which were already congested. Existing power lines and transformers weren’t sized for the kind of load they’re now experiencing. Power plants are also under greater pressure as they must supply the additional electricity and keep enough reserves to accommodate the often-unpredictable spikes in demand.
If we want to fill the gap with renewable energy, an estimated 40 GW of additional solar power will be needed to meet Switzerland’s demand for electricity, including electricity for heating systems, cooling systems and electric vehicles. But that will make local power grids even more congested and increase the required reserves."
The need is now, the buildup is going to be expensive, and that's for countries that can afford it. please, shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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still can't support your argument.
We’ll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we’ll be fine. It’s more than now, but not massively more.
you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. switzerland, alone, with it's world class infrastructure, is going to have to bring on 40gw of new power:
https://www.myscience.org/news/wire/is_air_conditioning_a_threat_to_the_power_grid-2024-epfl
"The additional demand is impacting local power grids, which were already congested. Existing power lines and transformers weren’t sized for the kind of load they’re now experiencing. Power plants are also under greater pressure as they must supply the additional electricity and keep enough reserves to accommodate the often-unpredictable spikes in demand.
If we want to fill the gap with renewable energy, an estimated 40 GW of additional solar power will be needed to meet Switzerland’s demand for electricity, including electricity for heating systems, cooling systems and electric vehicles. But that will make local power grids even more congested and increase the required reserves."
The need is now, the buildup is going to be expensive, and that's for countries that can afford it. please, shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you're talking about.
So, a timeframe isn't given here, and it's not even clear who's being interviewed (Alain Herzog is the photographer), but it doesn't sound too out there. That's a 200% increase, given Switzerland's current use, and it's specifically renewable capacity to overcome variability. If you provide some kind of V2G or grid storage, or something more responsive like nuclear, that's going to go down, because the figure is essentially what's needed to avoid disruption on a hot day that's also very cloudy.
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I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
I didn't say anything about deserve, I don't really understand why you have it in quotes.
I thought it was pretty clearly implied the problem was a mental health issue. I'm not a psychiatrist so I'm not qualified to say what the particular mental health issue is any more than I would be able to qualify or runny nose as a cold or allergies or a flu. I just know a symptom when I see it.
A person that wants to determine what species do and do not "deserve" to exist is outside of my pay grade, but clearly unwell.
