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Do you feel sad for people born today?

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  • U [email protected]

    Lmao, did you really just ask someone why they won't kill themselves if they don't want to have children?

    And you think you respect life. What irony.

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    WTF are you talking about? Reading comprehension, give it a shot.

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    • mossyfeathers@pawb.socialM [email protected]

      You haven't done anything of the sort. The only reason why I'm still here is for others. Are you telling me that the only reason why children exist is for the benefit of others? That's really fucking disturbing.

      You're mad because you know that I'm right. You're mad because you know that the creation of children cannot be justified in this day and age. You're mad because somewhere inside your skull, you've come to the realization that (if you've created children) you've brought them into what is very likely a doomed world in which they will eventually experience a hell like nothing any other human had ever experienced.

      Good job, you selfish asshole. Your children may one day grow to be miserable and ask you why you had to bring them into the world. Then you will have to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them that it was all about your own happiness, not theirs.

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      Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.

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      • J [email protected]

        Oh you're so selfless, living in misery and taking part in ruining the planet on the way to certain doom, all for others! You're a judgy, hateful asshole, really couldn't care less what people of your ilk think about me. Have the day you deserve.

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        Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.

        Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.

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          Aww, you're so mad! People only get mad like that when they know that someone has a logically sound argument but they're deep in denial. When that happens, emotions take over and the caveman comes out.

          Edit: also, I'm actually looking forward to today, I believe I'm going to have a very nice day with friends. A brief respite from my hellish, self-destructive existence. It'll hopefully be nice and chill. Maybe I'll even get to cuddle with someone! That'd be nice.

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          Ha, classic!

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          • F [email protected]

            I really think you’re missing the target entirely.

            There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?

            Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.

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            I am open minded towards the idea that it might be a problem. To me is sounds logical. Assume a 40 hour work week. A quick cost benefit analysis of life reveals numbers that don't check out. Time to sleep + time to get ready for work + eat + commute + work shitty job all day + commute again + eat + any chores or shit that you have to do = about 4 hours a day free. Factor in a 4 hours of errands like getting groceries, various things, and chores = 4 hours per week. So you have to sleep 16 hour over weekend. That leaves approx 48 awake hours of free time a week assuming there are no children or aging parents to care for. Most of which I personally spend exhausted from all the other shit. I think there are 168 hours in a week. 56 of those are sleep. That leaves only 48 hours a week out of the 112 you are awake that you do not spend doing shit you do not want to be doing. 64 hours bullshit, only 48 hours to recharge and fit relaxation into hectic week. Bless you if you live in India or Japan with a 60-80 hour workweek. Thats 84 hours of bullshit with 28 recovery hours, or 104 hours bullshit, with 8 hours a week to recover.

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            • F [email protected]

              I really think you’re missing the target entirely.

              There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?

              Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.

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              Also, I would really like to debate if my way of thinking is problematic. I genuinely would like to know, but it might just be a matter of opinion. Psychiatry seems like a gaslighting industry selling pills sometimes, so who knows.

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              • L [email protected]

                So are you implying that you'd only have kids if you could ensure they'd be bourgeoisie, exploiting others for their own benefits?

                I think the society fixing angle is naive. I sure wasn't that kid, I don't know anyone else who is, and now there's some kids who seem to be doing the opposite.

                "Kindness" is weapons grade copium. Think of it instead like your average CFD bet or any other financial investment - first the fundamentals must be sound, then you invest, not the other way around - you wouldn't invest in a failing business just in case it could turn around, unless you're private equity and have other private equity firms lining up for your sucker special suite of bang-em-and-bin-em retirement home joints.

                I've never seen hobbit/lord of rings and I don't watch or care for fantasy. You don't keep darkness at bay - you stare right into the void and grab it by the balls, then you invest.

                ::: spoiler .
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                I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.

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                • sanctus@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                  I'm implying that children are participants in the class war by simply existing, and that nobody will stop children from existing. I am hoping that they fight the capitalists destroying everything. Good talk.

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                  They're participants in the class war on the side of bourgeoisie by virtue of existing and pushing wages down. We need to fight to give kids a world with hope.

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                  • L [email protected]

                    They're participants in the class war on the side of bourgeoisie by virtue of existing and pushing wages down. We need to fight to give kids a world with hope.

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                    What are you on about? Nobody gets to choose to be born or where they are. You can't just say "everyone is burger-z because they exist and that brings wages down." That shit doesnt make any sense. They are children. They dont even have fucken jobs to push wages down with.

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                    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      if it happened tomorrow

                      it's happening NOW.

                      buildout all the grid you can, it won't be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone's fucked.

                      Is dying your retirement plan

                      Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.

                      https://www.yahoo.com/news/potentially-record-breaking-heat-wave-180834697.html

                      stick your head back in the sand and stop replying if you can't support your argument.

                      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00239-4

                      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/european-heat-deaths_n_6798bfe6e4b0e3bbf46ca2ad

                      https://www.newsweek.com/extreme-heat-killing-more-americans-ever-1811274

                      https://www.accuweather.com/en/climate/extreme-heat-is-a-killer-a-recent-heat-wave-shows-how-much-more-deadly-its-becoming/1792817

                      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/report-extreme-heat-us-climate-crisis_n_61313a6ce4b0df9fe273debf

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                      it’s happening NOW.

                      Oh, so it's over a moment from NOW?

                      Nah, it's slowly and continuously happening. It has been for decades, although with greater rate as we've ignored it.

                      buildout all the grid you can, it won’t be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone’s fucked.

                      We'll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we won't directly cook. It's more than now, but not massively more.

                      Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.

                      No u.

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                      • C [email protected]

                        it’s happening NOW.

                        Oh, so it's over a moment from NOW?

                        Nah, it's slowly and continuously happening. It has been for decades, although with greater rate as we've ignored it.

                        buildout all the grid you can, it won’t be enough for everyone, and when it collapses, everyone’s fucked.

                        We'll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we won't directly cook. It's more than now, but not massively more.

                        Did your parents have any children that lived? I bet they regret that.

                        No u.

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                        still can't support your argument.

                        We’ll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we’ll be fine. It’s more than now, but not massively more.

                        you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. switzerland, alone, with it's world class infrastructure, is going to have to bring on 40gw of new power:

                        https://www.myscience.org/news/wire/is_air_conditioning_a_threat_to_the_power_grid-2024-epfl

                        "The additional demand is impacting local power grids, which were already congested. Existing power lines and transformers weren’t sized for the kind of load they’re now experiencing. Power plants are also under greater pressure as they must supply the additional electricity and keep enough reserves to accommodate the often-unpredictable spikes in demand.

                        If we want to fill the gap with renewable energy, an estimated 40 GW of additional solar power will be needed to meet Switzerland’s demand for electricity, including electricity for heating systems, cooling systems and electric vehicles. But that will make local power grids even more congested and increase the required reserves."

                        The need is now, the buildup is going to be expensive, and that's for countries that can afford it. please, shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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                        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          still can't support your argument.

                          We’ll need X amount of power. If the grid can supply that, we’ll be fine. It’s more than now, but not massively more.

                          you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. switzerland, alone, with it's world class infrastructure, is going to have to bring on 40gw of new power:

                          https://www.myscience.org/news/wire/is_air_conditioning_a_threat_to_the_power_grid-2024-epfl

                          "The additional demand is impacting local power grids, which were already congested. Existing power lines and transformers weren’t sized for the kind of load they’re now experiencing. Power plants are also under greater pressure as they must supply the additional electricity and keep enough reserves to accommodate the often-unpredictable spikes in demand.

                          If we want to fill the gap with renewable energy, an estimated 40 GW of additional solar power will be needed to meet Switzerland’s demand for electricity, including electricity for heating systems, cooling systems and electric vehicles. But that will make local power grids even more congested and increase the required reserves."

                          The need is now, the buildup is going to be expensive, and that's for countries that can afford it. please, shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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                          So, a timeframe isn't given here, and it's not even clear who's being interviewed (Alain Herzog is the photographer), but it doesn't sound too out there. That's a 200% increase, given Switzerland's current use, and it's specifically renewable capacity to overcome variability. If you provide some kind of V2G or grid storage, or something more responsive like nuclear, that's going to go down, because the figure is essentially what's needed to avoid disruption on a hot day that's also very cloudy.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            I really think you’re missing the target entirely.

                            There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?

                            Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.

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                            I didn't say anything about deserve, I don't really understand why you have it in quotes.

                            I thought it was pretty clearly implied the problem was a mental health issue. I'm not a psychiatrist so I'm not qualified to say what the particular mental health issue is any more than I would be able to qualify or runny nose as a cold or allergies or a flu. I just know a symptom when I see it.

                            A person that wants to determine what species do and do not "deserve" to exist is outside of my pay grade, but clearly unwell.

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                              I didn't say anything about deserve, I don't really understand why you have it in quotes.

                              I thought it was pretty clearly implied the problem was a mental health issue. I'm not a psychiatrist so I'm not qualified to say what the particular mental health issue is any more than I would be able to qualify or runny nose as a cold or allergies or a flu. I just know a symptom when I see it.

                              A person that wants to determine what species do and do not "deserve" to exist is outside of my pay grade, but clearly unwell.

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                              You sound like MAGA. There is no health issue and you’re not qualified.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                You sound like MAGA. There is no health issue and you’re not qualified.

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                                Genuinely, there have been many people in my life who have needed help along the way. There's no shame in this. Depression will tell you not to fix your depression.

                                You can be living a totally "normal" life while on the cusp of crisis and not realize it. There is no harm in talking to someone about these feelings. I implore you.

                                With that, you can call me whatever names you want, or talk about how weird or bad or whatever I am... I'm going to bow out here.

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                                  Genuinely, there have been many people in my life who have needed help along the way. There's no shame in this. Depression will tell you not to fix your depression.

                                  You can be living a totally "normal" life while on the cusp of crisis and not realize it. There is no harm in talking to someone about these feelings. I implore you.

                                  With that, you can call me whatever names you want, or talk about how weird or bad or whatever I am... I'm going to bow out here.

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                                  You should have bowed out a long time ago; before you were misdiagnosing people.

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                                  • U [email protected]

                                    Will you be telling your kids this? That you created them as a sacrifice for a chance at making life better for other people?

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                                    Lmao OK. Life goes on and humans are worth fighting for, no use in whining.

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                                    • O [email protected]

                                      It's not even often to be honest, maybe once every 5 years or so, and that's counting more than just us, I've fixed/rebuilt microwaves for friends and neighbors as well, but definitely not often.

                                      My late father taught me the basics of electronics repair starting at age 10, and once the internet became a semi-common thing (dialup days), I found https://repairfaq.org/ which expanded my knowledge and understanding quite a bit.

                                      My late father was also a bit of a junk hoarder, so back in the day I had plenty of scrap electronics and appliances to practice on..

                                      These days I don't have to use those skills as often as daddy thought I might, but they're still handy skills.

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                                      That makes some sense, and sounds like some quality experiences. Thank you for the link, I always get a little excited when I see a website with such a basic look, it usually means they care more about conveying their material than adding extra flair.

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                                      • J [email protected]

                                        That makes some sense, and sounds like some quality experiences. Thank you for the link, I always get a little excited when I see a website with such a basic look, it usually means they care more about conveying their material than adding extra flair.

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                                        Thanks for responding!

                                        I'll drop this extra link while I'm here...

                                        https://charm.li/

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