Do you feel sad for people born today?
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Not every child is planned
Right, and that's all well and good, but not what I was talking about.
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People be fucking.
There were kids conceived and born during the Holocaust.
"Hey, baby. Wanna fight eugenics?"
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
I used to.
Kids have never been something I never saw myself having. I have nephews and nieces and I used to worry about them.
They’ve grown up a bit and the kids are actually doing alright. In my family they are all loved and they’re well behaved kids.
They’re getting proper diagnoses and treatment for their adhd that my brothers and I probably should have gotten as kids. Instead we all got countless detentions and suspensions in school.
School these days is kind of a mess, but my nieces and nephews all have parents who step in and help. The biggest thing for one who was getting bullied was switching schools, it was a total 180 in his life after leaving that environment.
The omnipresent tech and AI stuff is a mess too. I think having involved and caring parents helps a lot with that. It’s harder to fall into the traps when you have good examples in life. Hopefully that keeps up.
As for money/job prospects that was a huge concern when I was coming of age too. 2008 fucked everything up. This too shall pass the youth job market has always been tough for the last 25 years. They’ll figure it out with a bit of help. They’re not doomed here. As long as there are people there will be needs to fill.
I do worry about the climate. I don’t know how to help with that. I try to do good but it’s beyond my control to stop. All we can do is try to mitigate and adapt.
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
You are born in the very very very best stretch the human race has ever known.
We have solutions for almost every problem which exists today.
Wars are at an historical low point.
Chances are good you've never been even experienced war first hand.
Housing is expensive, yes. But chances are you're reading this on a couch or bed in a home, heated (or cooled), with a working stove, light at night and a fridge with edibles in it. And lets not talk about your immediate almost unrestricted access to all of human knowledge.
That would be unbelievable, impossible even during 99.9% of human history. (Or somewhere near this figure)
You should stop doomscrolling and start reading the real human history.
All of human knowledge at your fingertips. And this is what you chose to distill from it.
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Without knowing your friends social economic conditions it is hard to asses...
But this OP is cringe AF though.
Mind your own business lol
If you don't want children, good for you. Trying to act like it is a moral imperative is a maturity issue.
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Mate, we have to create the environment to flourish. I never said it was fair. I never said it was right. But look at the world around you. Someone has to pick up the banner, and we won't be here forever. You still have to kindle hope.
Also, some people fuck and kids get made, and thats just life.
Amen.
If we try and leave the world better than we found it then we can make space for kids to flourish. Thats our obligation to them.
But we have to actually try, even when it’s hard or inconvenient or unfair.
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But it sure seems different this time.
They said that last time too. And the time before that? They said that then too.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yep, they did. But they weren’t on the brink of tipping-point climate change negative feedback cycles. Exponential growth is great for the economy until it overruns the carrying capacity of the underlying fundamentals.
I expect to live to see worldwide famine and an unimaginably large worldwide refugee crisis as the equatorial band becomes uninhabitable. The groundwater we’ve been pumping out of aquifers took geologic timescales to accumulate, and as it runs out the effect on agriculture will be severe. The Colorado river is enormously oversubscribed, and almost none of the problems that Marc Reisner wrote about over 30 years ago in Cadillac Desert have improved.
I could go on, but it’s all depressing. Yes, this time is much worse. We might claw our way back out of fascism in a reasonable timescale, sure. But the underlying physical realities of the earth’s systems
will starthave already started to come crashing down and will only intensify within my lifetime, and definitely within the average lifespans of children born today. -
But it sure seems different this time.
They said that last time too. And the time before that? They said that then too.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer? Or the nuclear threat, some people were sure that the world was going to end before 1984. Then the aids epidemic. And 9/11, my god, nobody was safe anymore! And then the Yellostone caldera, that thing is going to erupt any time now!
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30 years ago, if your microwave went out, half the time it might have just been the fuse, which you could buy a pack of really cheap at the local Radio Shack.
Today, what the fuck is a fuse? They want you to chuck that old microwave and buy a new one that connects to the internet...
Today, people have the money to buy a new microwave every time the old one breaks. Things were a lot more expensive then, and electronic repair was a viable industry because of it.
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Username checks out.
I guess it's "evil" and "edgy" to care for the future of unborn children. You learn something new everyday
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Everyone here knows the solution; Eat the rich.
Ahh a french cutlery enjoyer
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Today, people have the money to buy a new microwave every time the old one breaks. Things were a lot more expensive then, and electronic repair was a viable industry because of it.
I can't remember ever actually buying a microwave in the first place.
Then again, I'm not normal, I know how to diagnose, repair, overhaul and even Frankenstein microwave ovens, so if one ever goes out, I'll just keep an eye out by nearby dumpsters for scrap parts microwaves and rebuild whichever of the two is in better condition...
I hate living in such a wasteful society, I'm all about the right to repair!
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Not specifically today, just generally born. Some things are worse, some better.
It's just that it's impossible for anyone to consent to being born. And not many people can say that they're living happily. -
I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Yup. I smile and give lip service while thinking how I would never want to do that to a child. Im really lucky because if I did a fifth year of college to pick up a second major and did a year in a PhD program and worked in my industry that did not make enough for two or three years. This set me back just enough that by the time the kid question came up it was in the mid aughts and it was a no not now and looking around not ever. Did not take many more years to become no way, no how, not in this reality. If I had done a more lucrative major and started working right out of college there is a massive chance I might have kids who I would not have been able to help pay for college and desperately trying to make sure I did not turn into a burden on them.
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You are born in the very very very best stretch the human race has ever known.
We have solutions for almost every problem which exists today.
Wars are at an historical low point.
Chances are good you've never been even experienced war first hand.
Housing is expensive, yes. But chances are you're reading this on a couch or bed in a home, heated (or cooled), with a working stove, light at night and a fridge with edibles in it. And lets not talk about your immediate almost unrestricted access to all of human knowledge.
That would be unbelievable, impossible even during 99.9% of human history. (Or somewhere near this figure)
You should stop doomscrolling and start reading the real human history.
All of human knowledge at your fingertips. And this is what you chose to distill from it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]reading real history is work though. just like working out and eating well.
doomscrolling is like the equivalent of sitting you your ass and eating junk food/delivery and satiating that lizard brain to the exclusion of their higher functions and potentials.
majority of people are going to choose the latter as much as they can.
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All ye who enter abandon all hope
Seriously, you people are a bunch of cake eaters. "The future is scary and things are getting worse." It's always been scary, you've just been privileged enough for it not to be.
All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it.
Bro, people have it bad NOW. Life is and has always been suffering and struggle. Get out of your online bubble and go see some shit. Anyone here who says their life outlook looks bleak would have said the exact same shit 30 years ago or even 100 years ago.
Life is suffering no matter when.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Seriously. I regularly meet people who make top 5% incomes, like 250K+. They living in luxury condos, have had their entire life paved out for them by welathy parents, and will never have any real problems or struggles in their lives.
What do they talk about every time? How poor they are. How everything is so hard. How they struggle so much with daily tasks. How their job is so awful. Why can't they just go be on a yacht somewhere forever? How their friend/boss/parent is mean and not giving them more stuff, etc. etc. Why isn't their life perfect and wonderful life they were promised? Why aren't they famous and rich like some other person they met once? Oh, and how the govt is evil because it taxes them too much and it's not fair that their multi-million dollar inheritance might be taxed too so they might only inherent $20 million, not $28 million, the horror and unfairness of it all!
And the millionaires/billionaires... all feel this same way too. Hence why they are all building apocalypse estates in New Zealand and bunkers in old missile silos and whining about how the mean government taxing them is so unfair.
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30 years ago, if your microwave went out, half the time it might have just been the fuse, which you could buy a pack of really cheap at the local Radio Shack.
Today, what the fuck is a fuse? They want you to chuck that old microwave and buy a new one that connects to the internet...
wrote last edited by [email protected]a new microwave is like $20-50 dude. And no, it has no internet.
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Asbestos and lead paint everywhere, yummers
That's just complaining at a high level. Think about the gens before and after
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You are born in the very very very best stretch the human race has ever known.
We have solutions for almost every problem which exists today.
Wars are at an historical low point.
Chances are good you've never been even experienced war first hand.
Housing is expensive, yes. But chances are you're reading this on a couch or bed in a home, heated (or cooled), with a working stove, light at night and a fridge with edibles in it. And lets not talk about your immediate almost unrestricted access to all of human knowledge.
That would be unbelievable, impossible even during 99.9% of human history. (Or somewhere near this figure)
You should stop doomscrolling and start reading the real human history.
All of human knowledge at your fingertips. And this is what you chose to distill from it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think you're missing the point.
Dying of disease because there simply isn't a cure is a tragedy, but dying of disease because the cure is too expensive, not because of material and resource limitations but because some shithead just wants to be rich, when in reality we could produce enough for everyone - is a farce beyond comprehension.
We escaped the wolves and I sure am glad for it, but we have senselessly created new wolves just to throw people to them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making an appeal to nature, or using the noble savage fallacy, nor am I reactionary moron who thinks everyone went to Galas or that in the past I'd be admiring the decorative architecture rather than be the slave making it, I'm a huge simp for science and technology, but I also can see that the world is headed in a very dark direction compared to the 2010s.
As a minority in both legislation and in practice my rights and safety have been actively eroded since the 90s and things were quite literally just better back then for basically everyone.
I struggle to think what exactly would be worse for your average Westerner being born earlier in actual human scales of time, like e.g. the 1990s.
The boomers around me don't even understand that you don't just "get" a job for existing, and my parents can't imagine having a degree and worrying about making rent or skipping on heating or meals in a "first world country" like the UK, and they grew up in the fucking soviet union and not exactly during it's heyday.
Living in wartime is awful. Living while wishing for things to be fixed, or even for any kind of hope, even if it means death in war, isn't that much better.
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a new microwave is like $20-50 dude. And no, it has no internet.
I've never bought one, I always repair them. Spare parts are pretty easy to find near dumpsters, given how often people just throw them away..
