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You Can’t Post Your Way Out of Fascism | Authoritarians and tech CEOs now share the same goal: to keep us locked in an eternal doomscroll instead of organizing against them

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  • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

    Then start your own server and post whatever you want.

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    #178

    Then there's nothing unique about open and decentralized social media.

    The technology where I could "start my own server" has always existed.

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      Then there's nothing unique about open and decentralized social media.

      The technology where I could "start my own server" has always existed.

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      Right, but getting people to actually know it exists is the problem. That's why federated decentralized media is a good thing.

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      • A [email protected]

        Idk. Ban from communities after negative karma threshold with an automatic vote weighted by users subreddit karma to appeal? Just the first thing that popped to mind though sure there’s better ways. Matrix was working towards something iirc last i checked.

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        #180

        If you (rightfully) believe that, then any place blocking you isn't somewhere you want to be, anyway.

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        • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

          If you (rightfully) believe that, then any place blocking you isn't somewhere you want to be, anyway.

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          #181

          Huh, why? Because of shit management?

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          • R [email protected]

            that requires effort to move away from platforms that force you to doomscroll with their algorithm. For many people that is very strong chain. If you relinquish your mind its not easy to even see the reason to take it back on your own.

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            #182

            it requires effort for sure, but even if you don't want to permanently do it, just spend like a week, without using tiktok or something.

            It's worth it. At least let yourself understand both worlds fully.

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            • B [email protected]

              these places are the last bastion.

              That's what I mean? We need to cultivate and solidify our online sanctuaries, or at least methods of secure and private communication now, before everything goes full tits up, because, as you said, they will be all up in our business before we know it.

              Like, I'm working on a solution to have someone "steal" my guns so I can file the police report relatively soon, as well as shoring up my servers/archives in the event that the internet becomes intermittent, including hosting a full copy of Wikipedia. I'm also looking into buying some ham radio equipment and speed running that learning curve. I hate to have a tinfoil hat on, but I'm fairly certain something between widespread civil disturbance, civil war, and the collapse of our country are right around the corner, and shit is about to get nasty real quick. The absolute most effective tools we'll have are communications and information.

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              You are right, but you are just missing an important ingredient: a physical community.

              It's quite easy for autocrats and gangs to isolate and eliminate loners.

              And as for the communities, there is a hierarchy. Police officers and soldiers have no hesitation to eliminate gangs and terrorists. That's their job.

              They will have a little more hesitation to attack civil organisations, e.g. sports clubs, political parties and trade union places. But eventually, if someone tells them that terrorist activities were being undertaken, they'll just follow orders. The way this is done is by getting people unfamiliar with the community to come in and do the dirty job.

              They will have the most hesitation to attack religious places of their own religion. Many of the grunts tend to still be religious/superstitious.

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                it requires effort for sure, but even if you don't want to permanently do it, just spend like a week, without using tiktok or something.

                It's worth it. At least let yourself understand both worlds fully.

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                the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it. Personally I dont have any problems with trying to maintain my sanity by not reading about awful things or by treating tiktok like the plague it is. But so many are basically addicts and dont even want to hear anything about changing what they do or just plain dont care what you say to them.

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                  You are right, but you are just missing an important ingredient: a physical community.

                  It's quite easy for autocrats and gangs to isolate and eliminate loners.

                  And as for the communities, there is a hierarchy. Police officers and soldiers have no hesitation to eliminate gangs and terrorists. That's their job.

                  They will have a little more hesitation to attack civil organisations, e.g. sports clubs, political parties and trade union places. But eventually, if someone tells them that terrorist activities were being undertaken, they'll just follow orders. The way this is done is by getting people unfamiliar with the community to come in and do the dirty job.

                  They will have the most hesitation to attack religious places of their own religion. Many of the grunts tend to still be religious/superstitious.

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                  #185

                  Ah gotcha. Yeah my entire purpose for such means of communication is directly for the purpose of supporting a physical community via ease of digital communication, as well as maintaining communication with the wider world to stay on top of what's happening outside of our local community.

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                  • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

                    The greatest thing that social media ever did for humanity was in its ability to allow all of us to talk to each other in an open platform.

                    Those private corporate platforms have slowly been eroded and controlled to only waste our time and designed to keep us all angry, afraid, anxious and confused.

                    Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another. It doesn't matter what kind of platform we have or can create, as long as it is decentralized and controlled by people, everyone will always find value in it because it allows us to talk to one another. The greatest thing I've ever found in taking part in the fediverse was in connecting to like minded people who want to talk about the important issues of the day without all the distractions of advertising and without having having to give up my privacy or security and have my identity sold to the highest bidder.

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                    #186

                    I love mastodon because its actual people I'm following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.

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                    • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                      I love mastodon because its actual people I'm following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.

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                      #187

                      I've been lazy on Mastodon because I've been spending all my time on Lemmy ... I really should do more there in the future ... thanks for the reminder.

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                      • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

                        I've been lazy on Mastodon because I've been spending all my time on Lemmy ... I really should do more there in the future ... thanks for the reminder.

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                        #188

                        Heh, same. The "subreddit" format is incredibly addictive.

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                        • R [email protected]

                          the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it. Personally I dont have any problems with trying to maintain my sanity by not reading about awful things or by treating tiktok like the plague it is. But so many are basically addicts and dont even want to hear anything about changing what they do or just plain dont care what you say to them.

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                          #189

                          the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it.

                          yeah, and they should, it's worth the time investment, or in this case, time gain.

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                            the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it.

                            yeah, and they should, it's worth the time investment, or in this case, time gain.

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                            Yes it is, but how to make them understand it is

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                            • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                              Right, but getting people to actually know it exists is the problem. That's why federated decentralized media is a good thing.

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                              Isn't federation just another version of moderation?

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                                Isn't federation just another version of moderation?

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                                No. It's how different instances share content with one another.

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  Yes it is, but how to make them understand it is

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                                  look that's not my problem, you want to continue being glued to your screen and wasting your time on shit that's trivial and unimportant, be my guest, but i can more than assure anybody in the world that literally nothing will happen if you stop using social media. Just try it. It's literally free.

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                                    look that's not my problem, you want to continue being glued to your screen and wasting your time on shit that's trivial and unimportant, be my guest, but i can more than assure anybody in the world that literally nothing will happen if you stop using social media. Just try it. It's literally free.

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                                    i think you are misuderstanding me. I dont use social media, unless you count using lemmy. I find facebook and xitter disgusting.

                                    What I mean is that those who do use them need to understand its bad not only for them but whole society and that they should stop. But getting them to understand is the problem.

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                                      i think you are misuderstanding me. I dont use social media, unless you count using lemmy. I find facebook and xitter disgusting.

                                      What I mean is that those who do use them need to understand its bad not only for them but whole society and that they should stop. But getting them to understand is the problem.

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                                      no i understand perfectly what you're saying, it's just not your or my job to tell other people how to live their lives, if they want to ruin their lives, by all means they have the right to go and do it, but if you are going to listen to me, you better damn well take my advice because this should be paid. That's the point i'm trying to make.

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                                        no i understand perfectly what you're saying, it's just not your or my job to tell other people how to live their lives, if they want to ruin their lives, by all means they have the right to go and do it, but if you are going to listen to me, you better damn well take my advice because this should be paid. That's the point i'm trying to make.

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                                        we all have tried apathy and look what it has got to us. Though maybe i am just wrong about this and should be content in watching the world burn.

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                                          we all have tried apathy and look what it has got to us. Though maybe i am just wrong about this and should be content in watching the world burn.

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                                          we've tried literally everything, nothing has worked, the only thing we can do at this point is be content in ourselves, try to offer people help when they need it, and laugh at those who perish by their own musings.

                                          It's sink or swim, and if you aren't going to swim, you're going to sink.

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