Take your clothes off, we need to talk
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
A billion porn sites and rule 34 are still not enough? Do mean really require titillation in all media to survive?
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Hell yeah! But actually, what?
he wants to look at boobs
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A billion porn sites and rule 34 are still not enough? Do mean really require titillation in all media to survive?
That's not their point in the slightest
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
The west world is already fucked up. Forget it. I'm not from east so I can't speak for it. But west societies are screwed at a level that you can't even imagine. Extreme capitalism corporations, oligarcs and religious entities has the full power and the control they always desired. They control every corner of the human existence. This is not just an US issue. Being conscious is not even enough at this point, We will need to rise against everything... even governments, which are long rotten to the roots. At a point that political orientations are empty and no longer apply to what's happening.
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I'm not your buddy, mate!
I'm not your mate, dude!
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A billion porn sites and rule 34 are still not enough? Do mean really require titillation in all media to survive?
This attitude is exactly the problem.
OP wrote:
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
Porn and rule 34 is the opposite of this.
The most fitting example I found is the argument of a certain Protestant Pastor Schweigger who visited Istanbul in the 16^th century about the moral superiority of Germans over Turks: while Turks had gender seperate baths and used towels to hide their nudity even from their own gender to avoid sexual arousal. In Germany, men and women would sit naked side by side in the bath just naturally without getting aroused.
Nudity ≠ sex
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he wants to look at boobs
Ironically this comment implies there's something morally wrong or depraved about that, or that wanting to look at boobs is an inherently sexual thing (to which only an immoral degenerate would succumb), which is exactly the kind of Puritan-derivative "sex bad" mindset that the post is rallying against.
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This attitude is exactly the problem.
OP wrote:
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
Porn and rule 34 is the opposite of this.
The most fitting example I found is the argument of a certain Protestant Pastor Schweigger who visited Istanbul in the 16^th century about the moral superiority of Germans over Turks: while Turks had gender seperate baths and used towels to hide their nudity even from their own gender to avoid sexual arousal. In Germany, men and women would sit naked side by side in the bath just naturally without getting aroused.
Nudity ≠ sex
Men have been yelling at me about my boobs for 35 years. Im fucking sick of hearing it. There are boobs galore on the internet so go look but leave the rest of us alone, they don't need to be everywhere. As for your appeal to nature: wearing clothing is human nature and i don't accept the distinction between human and nature.
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
It's a funny post, but a serious point. The Europe of my childhood was different countries all very different from the US. But over time American media and algorithmic dominance are eroding things toward being America with accents. And what will you get for throwing away that cultural identity? Americans will still sneer at Europe.
I think a trickier question is: if Europe ought to retain its own identity, then shouldn't each European country retain its own identity instead of banding together as "Europe".
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This attitude is exactly the problem.
OP wrote:
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
Porn and rule 34 is the opposite of this.
The most fitting example I found is the argument of a certain Protestant Pastor Schweigger who visited Istanbul in the 16^th century about the moral superiority of Germans over Turks: while Turks had gender seperate baths and used towels to hide their nudity even from their own gender to avoid sexual arousal. In Germany, men and women would sit naked side by side in the bath just naturally without getting aroused.
Nudity ≠ sex
Germans still believe they’re morally superior by insisting that someone swinging their junk 30cm away from your face is somehow cultural heritage.
I’ve been to a German sauna once, never again. It was full of groaning fat dudes rubbing their sweat all over their body and some fit dudes doing stretching exercises in the sauna, all naked. I didn’t come there to be a creep, but it should be noted that even though it was a mixed gender sauna it was like 80-90% dudes because most of the women went to the female sauna instead apparently.
You can tell me all about nudity and sex not being the same, but if there’s some smoking hot woman next to me in the sauna completely naked I will think about sex. Hell, I will probably think about sex if she wears a bikini. To me this is actually natural, not forcing people to strip naked and then also stripping them of their instincts.
In that sense, I prefer my country’s sauna rules with towels and gender separation and I can actually just focus on sweating instead of pretending that I’m not a sexual being.
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
We are Europe. We are culture. We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that’s okay.
We are human beings all living in the same planet. If your concern is nudity and the bigotry around it, i don't think you are going to find much freedom behind the walls of authoritarian countries and "europe"
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Ironically this comment implies there's something morally wrong or depraved about that, or that wanting to look at boobs is an inherently sexual thing (to which only an immoral degenerate would succumb), which is exactly the kind of Puritan-derivative "sex bad" mindset that the post is rallying against.
thats deep
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
I took my clothes off I don't know what else is going on but I'm having a good time thanks for inviting me I really appreciate it
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I took my clothes off I don't know what else is going on but I'm having a good time thanks for inviting me I really appreciate it
I can see your nutsack!
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
I think it is an interesting subject.
I can't answer for all of us, but I can ask another question.
Before USA became a superpower and took over the world, we were many countries and we were at war most of the time.
Now, EU started in the '90s. It delivered some good points, yet our countries still defend their own interests. (see Denmark, fighter jets and spying for instance. No specific hate to my danish friends)
German people défend their industry before anything else, Luxembourg fucks up with taxes, etc.Then, will our future really be built on a very centralized EU ? Have we really a common identity and interest ? All I can see is every country backstabbing another.
So, should we go on ideolazing US culture ? Of course not. But I don't see a European culture in front of that. I 'd prefer we cherish our particularities but I don' t think european countries count for '' 1 '' voice.
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We are all comrades in these trying times.
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Germans still believe they’re morally superior by insisting that someone swinging their junk 30cm away from your face is somehow cultural heritage.
I’ve been to a German sauna once, never again. It was full of groaning fat dudes rubbing their sweat all over their body and some fit dudes doing stretching exercises in the sauna, all naked. I didn’t come there to be a creep, but it should be noted that even though it was a mixed gender sauna it was like 80-90% dudes because most of the women went to the female sauna instead apparently.
You can tell me all about nudity and sex not being the same, but if there’s some smoking hot woman next to me in the sauna completely naked I will think about sex. Hell, I will probably think about sex if she wears a bikini. To me this is actually natural, not forcing people to strip naked and then also stripping them of their instincts.
In that sense, I prefer my country’s sauna rules with towels and gender separation and I can actually just focus on sweating instead of pretending that I’m not a sexual being.
Japanese saunas are often naked and sex segregated occasionally with family sections. But there's no hanky panky, it's just a sweat and soak situation.
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Comrades of the European Internet Forum,
enough is enough!
For decades, we have placed ourselves in the cultural shadows - well-behaved, conformist, as if we were the ill-educated child of the great American moral uncle, who must not be too loud, not too naked and certainly not too independent. While half-naked shoulders are censored at high school graduation ceremonies in the USA, heads are thrown around like bowling balls in TV series. All normal, all ‘entertainment’. But woe betide you if you see a nipple - then the censorship hammer screeches louder than a Trump on Truth Social.
I ask you: What has become of Europe?
We, the continent-born of the Enlightenment, the revolutions, the renaissance of nudity on canvas, in stone and on film - we have allowed a country that bottles cheese in cans, of all things, to tell us what is ‘moral’!
It's not moral, it's demurely stupid.
Why are depictions of violence in mass media allowed to flow freely like American fracking oil, but natural, aesthetic, tasteful nudity - which has been part of European art and culture for centuries - is algorithmically filtered out, demonetised and labelled with warnings as if it were uranium?
No more prudish double standards!
We need a cultural return to what we have to offer:
- Enlightenment instead of transfiguration.
- Pleasure instead of violence.
- Nudity as an expression of naturalness - not as a moral offence.
I call on you:
Banish pixelated prudery!
Let's tear apart the corset of American moral dictatorship like a badly programmed DRM protection!
Save the freedom of the breast - for Europe!Stop aligning your films, games and series with a market that beeps ‘fuck’ five times but completely waves ‘shoot him in the face’ through.
We are not Hollywood's post office box.
We are Europe.
We are culture.
We are naked! - So, metaphorically. And sometimes literally. And that's okay.Thank you for your attention!
I've been to a bunch of nudist events in Australia, naked bike ride, nude beach, life drawing events, confest hippie festival and some gallery openings. I've also studied anatomy. People need to get their head right about what it means to be naked. Everyone has a body, and should be more comfortable with it.
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I think it is an interesting subject.
I can't answer for all of us, but I can ask another question.
Before USA became a superpower and took over the world, we were many countries and we were at war most of the time.
Now, EU started in the '90s. It delivered some good points, yet our countries still defend their own interests. (see Denmark, fighter jets and spying for instance. No specific hate to my danish friends)
German people défend their industry before anything else, Luxembourg fucks up with taxes, etc.Then, will our future really be built on a very centralized EU ? Have we really a common identity and interest ? All I can see is every country backstabbing another.
So, should we go on ideolazing US culture ? Of course not. But I don't see a European culture in front of that. I 'd prefer we cherish our particularities but I don' t think european countries count for '' 1 '' voice.
The closest we can find if an european common culture is that we share a mass of land and our ancestors have been lusting after eachother since... well, just pick a date.
The EU can be strong by finding common ground where we can agree and respecting we will never agree on others. And that is fine. If we find the strenght to emulate what is made well in other countries and slowly push towards a better, negotiated, future.
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I'm not your mate, dude!
I’m not your dude, bro!
