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World won’t forget Tiananmen Square, US and Taiwan say on 36th anniversary of massacre

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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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    Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion

    There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.

    The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.

    New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.

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      Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion

      There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.

      The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.

      New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.

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      You could pick so many more things to criticize China for especially from its past, verifiable events, yet the west always picks Tiananmen Square, making sure to pick the image of the guy standing in front of the tank, but somehow always forgets to show the video of the guy climbing on top of the tank, asking soldiers to turn around to where the protesters are, and somehow forget mentioning that literally half the casualties were soldiers that were set ablaze. Even diplomatic cables at the time either leaked or declassified prove that.

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        Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion

        There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.

        The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.

        New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.

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        Not contesting there was a violent crackdown, but didn’t the video for this moment end with the tank just stopping the entire time, the briefcase guy climbing onto the tank, then getting shuffled away by fellow civilians?

        Everyday we see way worse shit happening on the streets of the US. Somehow the crackdown back then on anti-communist academics is an enshrined moment, but people on our streets getting arrested, detained, or killed is just business as usual.

        And we also act like our country doesn’t call academics “indoctrinated”, beat the living crap out of both students and academics, and doesn’t want to kill them. Amazing.

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          Not contesting there was a violent crackdown, but didn’t the video for this moment end with the tank just stopping the entire time, the briefcase guy climbing onto the tank, then getting shuffled away by fellow civilians?

          Everyday we see way worse shit happening on the streets of the US. Somehow the crackdown back then on anti-communist academics is an enshrined moment, but people on our streets getting arrested, detained, or killed is just business as usual.

          And we also act like our country doesn’t call academics “indoctrinated”, beat the living crap out of both students and academics, and doesn’t want to kill them. Amazing.

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          They weren't "fellow civillians".

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            You could pick so many more things to criticize China for especially from its past, verifiable events, yet the west always picks Tiananmen Square, making sure to pick the image of the guy standing in front of the tank, but somehow always forgets to show the video of the guy climbing on top of the tank, asking soldiers to turn around to where the protesters are, and somehow forget mentioning that literally half the casualties were soldiers that were set ablaze. Even diplomatic cables at the time either leaked or declassified prove that.

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            The Tiananmen square massacre is a verified event. We literally have videos and pictures documenting the entire massacre. How much of an idiot do you have to be to believe low level Chinese propaganda about this being fake or a good thing?

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              The Tiananmen square massacre is a verified event. We literally have videos and pictures documenting the entire massacre. How much of an idiot do you have to be to believe low level Chinese propaganda about this being fake or a good thing?

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              So where are said videos of the massacre happening

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                So where are said videos of the massacre happening

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                I've seen images and footage put out by journalists. I'm just not bothered to re-locate them for the sake of a tankie.

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                  They weren't "fellow civillians".

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                  https://x.com/carlzha/status/1134582926325104641

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                    https://x.com/carlzha/status/1134582926325104641

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                    Those "fellow civillians" weren't civilians, they were secret police. So I don't know what good does the video do.

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                      Those "fellow civillians" weren't civilians, they were secret police. So I don't know what good does the video do.

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                      Have you tried actually confirming that?

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                        Have you tried actually confirming that?

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                        Have you tried not being a tankie and thinking for a second, or actually doing your own research?

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                          I've seen images and footage put out by journalists. I'm just not bothered to re-locate them for the sake of a tankie.

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                          Because they don't exist. China is winning and you're just a sore loser

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                            Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion

                            There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.

                            The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.

                            New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.

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                            damn propaganda in all its glory

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                              Have you tried not being a tankie and thinking for a second, or actually doing your own research?

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                              That was a Socratic question. You clearly have not because you’re parroting unconfirmed theories from Internet forums. Perhaps if you had “done your own research”, you wouldn’t be sounding like such a moron

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                                That was a Socratic question. You clearly have not because you’re parroting unconfirmed theories from Internet forums. Perhaps if you had “done your own research”, you wouldn’t be sounding like such a moron

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                                Uh huh, sure mr tankie, I sound like a moron. Get blocked.

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