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Check your DVDs for disc rot — Warner Bros. says it’s replacing them

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  • exu@feditown.comE [email protected]

    I didn't know DVDs are supposed to last 100 years. That's definitely not the case with newer storage media, be it BluRay, hard disks or even worse SSDs.

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    Modern Blurays should actually last longer than DVDs. Bluray M-Discs supposedly even last 1000 years. 100 years for DVDs is pretty optimistic. 20-50 years is more realistic.

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      It doesn’t matter. If the CD/DVD works, copy it immediately. If not, so sorry.

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      or just pirate it whenever.

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        or just pirate it whenever.

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        Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.

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        • psythik@lemm.eeP [email protected]

          Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.

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          I’m digitizing my SO’s cd collection now. Half are normal cds. 1/4 are promo or weird stuff from bands that barely existed. The rest are mix tapes or unreleased things from when they worked as a music journalist in college.

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            Modern Blurays should actually last longer than DVDs. Bluray M-Discs supposedly even last 1000 years. 100 years for DVDs is pretty optimistic. 20-50 years is more realistic.

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            Apparently there's some huge drama in data hoarding communities about manufacturers switching between different recording technologies, and how everybody is worried that they aren't going to last for 5-10-100-1000 years.

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              Apparently there's some huge drama in data hoarding communities about manufacturers switching between different recording technologies, and how everybody is worried that they aren't going to last for 5-10-100-1000 years.

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              I have 3 physical backups of all my stuff, one a rotating offsite backup. The backup media gets replaced over time.

              I don’t expect media (especially backup media) to last more than 10 years. But it doesn’t matter, as my NVMe backup solution of today looks nothing like my spinning rust backup solution of 20 years ago, despite holding all of that data.

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              • psythik@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.

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                Because these people often don't want to pirate. In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn't enough anymore. Then there are other factors such as remasters and changes.

                Fight Club, The Matrix, The Terminator and Star Wars are all popular films but there are several versions out there with different color grades and special effects. So I completely understand why this subset of people would want to keep their version of the movie.

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                  Because these people often don't want to pirate. In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn't enough anymore. Then there are other factors such as remasters and changes.

                  Fight Club, The Matrix, The Terminator and Star Wars are all popular films but there are several versions out there with different color grades and special effects. So I completely understand why this subset of people would want to keep their version of the movie.

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                  You also have to deal with whatever settings the uploader decided to use when they transcoded the original rip. Which can mess with the color grade and contrast ratio, the hdr grading, introduce noise, and otherwise fuck with the video quality and audio quality.

                  Most people won't care, but to some it matters.

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                  • psythik@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                    Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.

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                    Pirated copies rarely contain any of the extras. Some people actually do watch those.

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                      Because these people often don't want to pirate. In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn't enough anymore. Then there are other factors such as remasters and changes.

                      Fight Club, The Matrix, The Terminator and Star Wars are all popular films but there are several versions out there with different color grades and special effects. So I completely understand why this subset of people would want to keep their version of the movie.

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                      In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn't enough anymore.

                      Why isn't a common zero-logs VPN enough? How would the government know? Encrypted VPN traffic can't be decrypted, at least until we have quantum computers, right?

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                        For those saying "just pirate it" some people like the option of physical media and have moral qualms about piracy. This is actually a good thing WB is doing. Just let people have their DVDs

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                          For those saying "just pirate it" some people like the option of physical media and have moral qualms about piracy. This is actually a good thing WB is doing. Just let people have their DVDs

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                          If you own the physical DVD, fair use allows you to own a backup copy, so torrenting it in that case would not be unethical nor illegal.

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                            Pirated copies rarely contain any of the extras. Some people actually do watch those.

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                            Extras are something I miss from modern movie distribution.

                            After finishing a movie you could watch the deleted scenes and behind the scenes and such. I rarely did the commentary watch of the movie but it was cool that it was there.

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                              If you own the physical DVD, fair use allows you to own a backup copy, so torrenting it in that case would not be unethical nor illegal.

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                              You’re allowed to make your own backup, but I’m pretty sure downloading somebody else’s backup is still illegal? First time I’ve seen someone suggest otherwise, would love more details about the actual laws.

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                                For those saying "just pirate it" some people like the option of physical media and have moral qualms about piracy. This is actually a good thing WB is doing. Just let people have their DVDs

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                                Yeah, that is a very valid option! I don't like it when people not into collecting do it, though. Because it makes zero logical sense for a digital copy to be tied to a physical thing, unless you like the sentimental value of said physical thing as well.

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                                • krompus@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                  You’re allowed to make your own backup, but I’m pretty sure downloading somebody else’s backup is still illegal? First time I’ve seen someone suggest otherwise, would love more details about the actual laws.

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                                  I'm not a law talking guy, but from my understanding of it, downloading isn't illegal. But if you're torrenting it, you're uploading bits of it to others while you're downloading. That would be distributing it to others, so that's copyright infringement.

                                  So if you could find a way to download something without uploading anything, you'd be fine. Kinda like if someone uploads copyright infringing material to youtube. You're not going to get into hot water for watching that video, but the person who uploaded is.

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                                  • adespoton@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                                    I have 3 physical backups of all my stuff, one a rotating offsite backup. The backup media gets replaced over time.

                                    I don’t expect media (especially backup media) to last more than 10 years. But it doesn’t matter, as my NVMe backup solution of today looks nothing like my spinning rust backup solution of 20 years ago, despite holding all of that data.

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                                    invest in a tape backup, tape formats like LTO will last
                                    LTO tapes are cheap and durable. Write time can be slow but reading is quick enough for what it is

                                    sure an EMP might corrupt it but if you are that paranoid, you could use a safe for shielding

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                                    • psythik@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                                      Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.

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                                      Some prefer different languages or options. For many animations like Disney and DreamWorks children like to watch in native language, while adults like to occasionally watch in original language. Native language as pirated version are hard to come by these days.

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                                      • krompus@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                        You’re allowed to make your own backup, but I’m pretty sure downloading somebody else’s backup is still illegal? First time I’ve seen someone suggest otherwise, would love more details about the actual laws.

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                                        I mean maybe technically (I'm sure it varies depending on country). But I'm not aware of any cases where they've ever pursued anyone for that.

                                        It's definitely a grey area in the US, I believe (again, no precedent set), and someone with a good lawyer could actually get a good ruling here, which would set the precedent. Which is probably why they never pursue it. I think that happened with VHS when people were taping shows in the 80s/90s (could be misremembering that).

                                        The concept of "fair use" in general (not referring to specific interpretations of the term) definitely allows you to do this. At least how I interpret it. I am not a lawyer.

                                        So if it were me, I'd only be concerned with the ethics, and I see nothing ethically wrong with it whatsoever. But that's just me.

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                                          I just checked one of my dvd shelf and two WB movies that should be in excellent condition were little bit sticky from both sides. This feels like a flashback to when Arturia’s hardware keys and knobs started to ”melt” after few years. Companies use cheapest plastics possible.

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