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  • P [email protected]

    Once again I'm baffeled by people like him beeing able to raise an intelligent and feeling animal, kill it and devour its cadaver (and beeing proud of it, lol).

    Like, just eat the crops directly instead of passing it through an animal and loose like >80% of harvested callories)

    He's right on the GMO thing, tho. There are crops that have been specifically modified to increase their resistance to glyphosate.

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    I know how intellegent animals are. I have to interact with them daily.

    And yes I know I am right about glyphosate, Monsanto (now bayer) used to sue farmers for recovering seeds from soy because it infringed on their patents.
    Also do the same things with cotton. Farmers used to feed the sheep the left overs untill the GMO product started to kill the sheep...

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      How much soy is organic???

      Just all the soy I'm eating...

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      Hahahah, oh how naive you are. All that glyphosate has gone to your brain budd

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        Once again I'm baffeled by people like him beeing able to raise an intelligent and feeling animal, kill it and devour its cadaver (and beeing proud of it, lol).

        Like, just eat the crops directly instead of passing it through an animal and loose like >80% of harvested callories)

        He's right on the GMO thing, tho. There are crops that have been specifically modified to increase their resistance to glyphosate.

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        Is that what he was trying to say? I couldn't find a way to read that so it made sense.

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          Hahahah, oh how naive you are. All that glyphosate has gone to your brain budd

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          Hahahah, oh how naive you are.

          What you'd call naive, i'd call it idealistic.
          Like 99% of GMO soy is used for animals. If I am naive if I exlusively buy organic and regional (at least from the same country, not the other side of the world) legumes and soy products, so be it...

          All that glyphosate has gone to your brain budd

          From what i've seen in documentaries about Roundup rural regions have more miscarriages and malformed babies so i guess the main risk is still exposure in the direct environment (living and drinking tap water in areas with a lot of conventional agriculture).

          I assumed pesticides were like antibiotics where the stuff is stored inside fat and muscle tissue and found in high concentrations in meat products aswell but it seems i was wrong. Most articles online found high concentrations on conventionally produced fruits and vegetables.

          I'm not gonna change your mind by arguing with you on the internet, and I'm not trying to, but I'm genuenly curious: How can you eat something you raised? I've had chickens, rabbits and dogs in the past and I couldn't imagine eating them. Each one was an individual and had their own personality and character. I'd probably puke if someone told me I've just eaten them.

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            Is that what he was trying to say? I couldn't find a way to read that so it made sense.

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            Yeah, because I already knew what he was talking about. Your interaction reminded me a bit of this xkcd:

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              Yeah, because I already knew what he was talking about. Your interaction reminded me a bit of this xkcd:

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              Strangely I only know what a quartz lattice looks like. No idea what olivine is off the top of my head.

              Is GMO resistance to pesticides instead of resistance to pests the low effort hack it sounds like to a non-ag major?

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                Hahahah, oh how naive you are.

                What you'd call naive, i'd call it idealistic.
                Like 99% of GMO soy is used for animals. If I am naive if I exlusively buy organic and regional (at least from the same country, not the other side of the world) legumes and soy products, so be it...

                All that glyphosate has gone to your brain budd

                From what i've seen in documentaries about Roundup rural regions have more miscarriages and malformed babies so i guess the main risk is still exposure in the direct environment (living and drinking tap water in areas with a lot of conventional agriculture).

                I assumed pesticides were like antibiotics where the stuff is stored inside fat and muscle tissue and found in high concentrations in meat products aswell but it seems i was wrong. Most articles online found high concentrations on conventionally produced fruits and vegetables.

                I'm not gonna change your mind by arguing with you on the internet, and I'm not trying to, but I'm genuenly curious: How can you eat something you raised? I've had chickens, rabbits and dogs in the past and I couldn't imagine eating them. Each one was an individual and had their own personality and character. I'd probably puke if someone told me I've just eaten them.

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                How can you eat something you raised?

                Chickens are easy, I don't name them or interact other than feeding. Although I did have trouble with the last female last year. Put her into the chicken holder and she managed to get out.

                We do have 3 egg layers that are 8-9 now and couldnt eat them

                Pigs, I interact daily, give them scratches and treats. We send them to an abittoir.

                Everything dies eventually, at least I know they had a good life while it lasted.

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                  Aw, aren't you a fucking moron.

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                    Vegans really can't take a joke lol

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                      How can you eat something you raised?

                      Chickens are easy, I don't name them or interact other than feeding. Although I did have trouble with the last female last year. Put her into the chicken holder and she managed to get out.

                      We do have 3 egg layers that are 8-9 now and couldnt eat them

                      Pigs, I interact daily, give them scratches and treats. We send them to an abittoir.

                      Everything dies eventually, at least I know they had a good life while it lasted.

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                      We do have 3 egg layers that are 8-9 now and couldnt eat them

                      I've heard that kind of attachement to favorite animals from a couple of farmers. Perhaps this is psychologically similar to a teacher having a teachers pet while all others "move on"?

                      Pigs, I interact daily, give them scratches and treats. We send them to an abittoir.

                      Ah okay, so is your existentce is dependent on animal farming? So it's like a "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas"-kind of situation...

                      Everything dies eventually, at least I know they had a good life while it lasted.

                      It sounds like you really do care, but their existence is imo rather needlessly (and in some cases horrifically) cut short, no?
                      Maybe i've thought about this to much but I always ask myself: How old would domesticated animal get if they are not slaughtered and can I justify this choice by the imo neglible gains (not having to take as many supplements and the taste i am accustomed from my youth) I gets from a omnivorous diet?

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                        We do have 3 egg layers that are 8-9 now and couldnt eat them

                        I've heard that kind of attachement to favorite animals from a couple of farmers. Perhaps this is psychologically similar to a teacher having a teachers pet while all others "move on"?

                        Pigs, I interact daily, give them scratches and treats. We send them to an abittoir.

                        Ah okay, so is your existentce is dependent on animal farming? So it's like a "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas"-kind of situation...

                        Everything dies eventually, at least I know they had a good life while it lasted.

                        It sounds like you really do care, but their existence is imo rather needlessly (and in some cases horrifically) cut short, no?
                        Maybe i've thought about this to much but I always ask myself: How old would domesticated animal get if they are not slaughtered and can I justify this choice by the imo neglible gains (not having to take as many supplements and the taste i am accustomed from my youth) I gets from a omnivorous diet?

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                        Everything animal wise is for personal consumption. I am a small scale brewer so my grains get fed to all my animals.

                        Typically egg layers are slaughterd after 2 years, my 8 yr old hens still produce eggs. And yes I would consider them a pet at this stage.
                        Ive built automated egg laying coups for a semi large producer of eggs and I know how they are treated, 10 chickens in a 1.5'1.53, 3 rows high. No ability to walk. They also produce lower quality eggs

                        Yes all the animals we eat tend to have short lives but in my case longer than factory farmed animals (chickens 150-200 days vs 45)

                        Pigs get all the weeds from our garden, any leftovers from veggies to meats, the odd egg that breaks too

                        At one point we had 50 chickens and a mink got in and killed all but 5, none had been eaten, just killed for sport. That imo is needlessly killing.

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