Iran declares U.S. citizens, personnel 'legitimate targets' after strike on nuclear sites
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I'm aware. Do you think these guys want to be martyrs?
The leaders know their time is running out (especially Chamenei, which is an old man by now), and I sincerely believe that in his perspective it is much more favourable to go out on the prospect of being worshipped by his followers for a long time to come instead of doing a Saddam.
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My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
I don't think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can't solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It's why we terminated our bioweapons program. It's about as discerning as chemical warfare.
On a related note, I'd fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).
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As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Americans are always about how we hate the government of a country but not the people, at least this American is and all the Americans I know are, I know itās not literally universal. To say āI hate the Iranian government but not Iranian peopleā seems pretty reasonable if you hate the Iranian government but for them to turn around and basically say āwell I consider all American entities, including completely powerless civilians free gameā is fucked Iām no matter how you look at it. Like wtf more do you want from me? I vote against this, have for decades, I protest against this have been since W was in office, I donate money and energy to war torn countries, Iām absolutely against bombing any country why exactly am I considered fair game?? Fuck anyone who lumps entire countries of people into a single hive-mind that serves its leader, a fraudulent one no less
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My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
Iran isn't known for it's cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren't good with technology. So I'm not worried about a cyber attack.
In fact, it's tough to say what Iran's military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?
They'll likely go after Israel first, so we'll soon see the extent of their armaments.
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Americans are always about how we hate the government of a country but not the people, at least this American is and all the Americans I know are, I know itās not literally universal. To say āI hate the Iranian government but not Iranian peopleā seems pretty reasonable if you hate the Iranian government but for them to turn around and basically say āwell I consider all American entities, including completely powerless civilians free gameā is fucked Iām no matter how you look at it. Like wtf more do you want from me? I vote against this, have for decades, I protest against this have been since W was in office, I donate money and energy to war torn countries, Iām absolutely against bombing any country why exactly am I considered fair game?? Fuck anyone who lumps entire countries of people into a single hive-mind that serves its leader, a fraudulent one no less
Well, do yourself what you would expect other people in a rogue state to do. How many cries of "the Russians should overthrow the government!" were there?
Or to bring in a parable: What would you have expected from the average German citizen in 1939?
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tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.
if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them
Putin has been doing it for nearly 3 years now
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And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.
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Not the citizens part
Since when?
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As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Never said they did, but that doesn't suddenly make it right now does it.
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Since when?
Since 1949
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Since 1949
wrote on last edited by [email protected]According to the British (during the Malayan Emergency) and Americans (during Operation Ranch Hand), indiscriminately starving enemy civilians by spraying Agent Orange everywhere was legal.
In more recent history, we of course have Captain Drone Strike's reign of terror against wedding parties and aid workers in Afghanistan.
The only thing that's changed since the Geneva conventions of 1949 is that when civilians are targeted, the rest of the world says "tut tut, that's a war crime" before it proceeds not to do anything about it.*
* Unless you're from Africa or the Balkans, apparently.
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The funding comes from Congress.... So either they approve it or are forced to approve it which they would have to recognize they no longer exist as an entity if the executive branch can write their checks for them.
So to save face, they would have to approve or impeach. Or completely give up the guise that it is a Republic. Their votes are public record. So the executive branch could make them up, post them and threaten them not to say anything.. but I doubt many of them would go through with that and not vote to impeach unless they are truly pro dictatorship. Some of them think they are pro dictatorship, but when you gather hundreds of people spending their lives/career trying to work their way up in power and someone says they are going to dissolve their positions/power and their chances of rising or having any say plummet.. they would be powerless if they chose to follow... Greed and self preservation would make them not want it.
There you go again.
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It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?
i mean true honest war does not have rules like that. the reason ārules of warā exist is so corporations can keep a labor pool and capital operating with minimal effect to profit. (āAināt no war but class war.ā)
true honest realistic āwarā is carpet bombs, famine, death, and capitulation.
stop expecting āwarā to involve rules, youāll only be surprised in the end.
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According to the British (during the Malayan Emergency) and Americans (during Operation Ranch Hand), indiscriminately starving enemy civilians by spraying Agent Orange everywhere was legal.
In more recent history, we of course have Captain Drone Strike's reign of terror against wedding parties and aid workers in Afghanistan.
The only thing that's changed since the Geneva conventions of 1949 is that when civilians are targeted, the rest of the world says "tut tut, that's a war crime" before it proceeds not to do anything about it.*
* Unless you're from Africa or the Balkans, apparently.
What does that have to do with civilians being legitimate targets in war?
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First sentence:
Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets
So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.
But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.
Based on that sentence, it even just says "in the region" so hardly "all" Americans
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So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because thatās the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as theyāre taking losses.
Remember what happened the last time a major terrorist strike happened in USA? That's the number one way to get ordinary civilians of a democracy to support an actual war almost 100%. It's the kind of strategy that makes Pentagon say "yeah lol be my guest let's see what happens".
Go explain that to Iran's leaders. Good luck!
On 9/11, the message sent was very unclear ("we hate you for your overall activity in the middle-east and the rest of the world" and/or "death to America").
This time, it may be very clear: "that's retaliation for the unjustified bombing of our country" (though Iran had its share of chanting "death to America", so yes, YMMV).
I agree with you, you know: more deaths will lead to more retaliations, from both sides. Someone has to act like a true adult responsible pragmatic leader now. But there is none in power on either side.
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Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying "I'll kill you" instead of mentioning the face punch.
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So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because thatās the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as theyāre taking losses.
Remember what happened the last time a major terrorist strike happened in USA? That's the number one way to get ordinary civilians of a democracy to support an actual war almost 100%. It's the kind of strategy that makes Pentagon say "yeah lol be my guest let's see what happens".
Remember what happened the last time a major terrorist strike happened in USA?
The USA responded by attacking the wrong country under the false premise of "weapons of mass destruction "?
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What does that have to do with civilians being legitimate targets in war?
It depends on your definition of "legitimate", I suppose.
My point is that the targeting of civilians is still and always has been common in war. It may now be de jure illegal but it is de facto not policed.
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I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.
Mmm, not really.
You can't just slaughter civilians willy nilly. Well, you can, obviously, as shown by what's going on in the world, but international laws say you shouldn't.
Iran could legally intern any Americans, but civilians wouldn't still be POW's. And should technically have rights and whatnot.
