Russia lays out demands for talks with US on Ukraine, sources say
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Without any authority, I would say that from a Russian perspective, they weren't there 'yet'. Russia doesn't want Ukraine to be the staging ground for an invasion.
I am sure I am not telling you something entirely new. There have been enough wars in recent times that it is not entirely unjustified for a country with many resources to assume that it is a target.
The problem in seeing the Russian perspective is that it feels a bit dirty to realize that we can reasonably be perceived as a threat.
- Where do the Baltic countries lie?
- Are they members of Nato?
Are you always this gullible or only when it comes to what Putin says?
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Ukraine is the "bread basket" of Europe. There are multiple resource reasons for why Russia would like to make sure to include Ukraine.
You come off as a Putin apologist.
Yes, I know that it's not socially advantagious to have these arguments. The good thing about lemmy is that it is nevertheless possible to have them.
I only know of one reason for imperial conquest: that there is gas at the Krim and Ukraine would threaten the Russian monopoly on energy supply for Europe.
To me, that is not motivation enough for the war.
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- Where do the Baltic countries lie?
- Are they members of Nato?
Are you always this gullible or only when it comes to what Putin says?
Adding to that: How long is Russia's border with Finland, is Finland a NATO member, and are there even border guards stationed there right now. Bonus: How long would it take for Finland to advance to the one road that connects the Murmansk military complex, including plenty of strategic nuclear facilities, and cut it off from the rest of Russia.
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This would require to accept that Putin is stupid. I don't see that.
He's rational. He's also operating within an ideological fever dream, KGB reality distortion. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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I am always this gullible.
Good argument. Is it strategically the same to defend? My impression is that the border to the Baltics is much smaller and without looking it up, could it be that historically, armies didn't take that route for some reasons?
In any case, the additional length of the border could be the problem.
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Adding to that: How long is Russia's border with Finland, is Finland a NATO member, and are there even border guards stationed there right now. Bonus: How long would it take for Finland to advance to the one road that connects the Murmansk military complex, including plenty of strategic nuclear facilities, and cut it off from the rest of Russia.
That must have been accounted for since the situation was the same during the time of the SU. Finland was neutral, but the SU would have learned from Belgium and France.
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That must have been accounted for since the situation was the same during the time of the SU. Finland was neutral, but the SU would have learned from Belgium and France.
Before Russia withdrew troops towards Ukraine the border to Finland was well-staffed. Actually capturing Murmansk is countered by Russia's nuclear doctrine (first strike on attack of Russia's nuclear capability), though I'm not sure taking out only Murmansk would be enough to trigger that, and of course strategic ambiguity is desirable there from Russia's POV.
But it's a wide-open flank even if Finland were to immediately turn south, not towards Murmansk. All of Russia's flanks are wide open, right now, towards NATO, towards the Stans, towards China. If Russia truly feared an attack from NATO it would keep the NATO borders manned, not put those forces into Ukraine, and if it was worried about China well there's no helping it if China wants to take a bite out of Manchuria there really isn't anything Russia can do because going nuclear isn't worth it. Maybe nuke Vladivostok out of spite or something but they're not going to risk the imperial core.
Leave it to the Kremlin to be dealt an excellent deck and squander every opportunity of greatness on pointless cruelty for "surely that will make them respect us now" sake. Pathetic.
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Without any authority, I would say that from a Russian perspective, they weren't there 'yet'. Russia doesn't want Ukraine to be the staging ground for an invasion.
I am sure I am not telling you something entirely new. There have been enough wars in recent times that it is not entirely unjustified for a country with many resources to assume that it is a target.
The problem in seeing the Russian perspective is that it feels a bit dirty to realize that we can reasonably be perceived as a threat.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to be the staging ground for an invasion.
The same Russian propaganda rubbish over and again. No one wants (and wanted) to invade Russia, this is completely out of touch. Russia isn't afraid of an invasion but of a country like Ukraine (or Georgia, Moldova, the Baltics, and many others) near its borders that strive in a free society. If Russians see there is an alternative state model that gives people a say and hold politicians accountable, it would threaten Russian current dictatorial government. Democracy is Putin's only enemy.
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- Russia's demands similar to earlier terms presented to US, say sources
- Demands include no NATO membership for Kyiv, no foreign troops in Ukraine
- Unclear if Putin will engage seriously in peace talks
- Biden administration discussed demands prior to Ukraine invasion
Ukraine won't recognize occupied territories as Russian as part of any peace deal, Zelensky says
Ukraine will not recognize any occupied territories as part of Russia under a potential future peace agreement with Moscow, President Volodymyr Zelensky told journalists on March 12.
"We are fighting for our independence. Therefore, we will not recognize any occupied territories as Russia's. This is a fact," Zelensky said.
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Ukraine won't recognize occupied territories as Russian as part of any peace deal, Zelensky says
Ukraine will not recognize any occupied territories as part of Russia under a potential future peace agreement with Moscow, President Volodymyr Zelensky told journalists on March 12.
"We are fighting for our independence. Therefore, we will not recognize any occupied territories as Russia's. This is a fact," Zelensky said.
not recognize any occupied territories as Russia's
And Rightly so. This article was just a sneak preview of Putins speech yesterday. He didn't say anything concrete, so we'll see how that develops.Afaik, RF doesn't want a sustainable piece ( except "MIR" ofc), because they want to annex the Yalta lines. But a prolonged fake freeze fire peace could provide a strategic advantage for Russia to regroup.
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