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'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

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      I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.

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        Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?

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          How is it on console though? Better on PS5 or Xbox?

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            Oh look the piece of shit opens its mouth again.

            We understand you stumbled dick first into your position of power. Now please shut the fuck up, you somehow sentient sludgeball.

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              Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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                Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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                Yeah, so it's just the usual

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                  Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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                  Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.

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                    Say it with me now: "Fuck Randy Pitchford"

                    UE5 is a shit engine as of now, but what can be expected of a company run by someone just as insufferable? Epic took the advent of tech like DLSS and frame generation as an excuse to disregard performance and functionality.

                    All you have to do is pick out any UE5 game that exists and Google that + "performance." Even meeting the recommended specs for Rogue City, I still had to find specialized configs to get the game the game stop crashing on launch, and even then, those specs were based on using upscaling and frame generation. In reality, "recommended" was about 25fps at 1280x720. That used to be, and realistically should be unthinkable.

                    AND EVEN THEN, the engine's built-in settings for upscaling and frame generation caused even more crashing. Ultimately, I had to disable it in-game and turn it on in my driver settings because of the busted-ass engine. This is a problem with the state of gaming, and people like Randy, Tim and their supporters are only exacerbating it.

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                    • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                      Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?

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                      It's 100% an astroturfing campaign. Doesn't matter if it looks good or bad, it's still getting awareness out there about the game which generates clicks and probably makes more money than the game itself.

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                        It's 100% an astroturfing campaign. Doesn't matter if it looks good or bad, it's still getting awareness out there about the game which generates clicks and probably makes more money than the game itself.

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                        That would be hard to believe, because the game already conservatively made tens of millions of dollars in a few days.

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                          Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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                          Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.

                          When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn't good performance.

                          It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It's at the point it's weird he still has a job

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                          • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?

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                            Well it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but Randy Pitchford is really good at providing ammo for these types of headlines. Guy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.

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                              Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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                              BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).

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                                Say it with me now: "Fuck Randy Pitchford"

                                UE5 is a shit engine as of now, but what can be expected of a company run by someone just as insufferable? Epic took the advent of tech like DLSS and frame generation as an excuse to disregard performance and functionality.

                                All you have to do is pick out any UE5 game that exists and Google that + "performance." Even meeting the recommended specs for Rogue City, I still had to find specialized configs to get the game the game stop crashing on launch, and even then, those specs were based on using upscaling and frame generation. In reality, "recommended" was about 25fps at 1280x720. That used to be, and realistically should be unthinkable.

                                AND EVEN THEN, the engine's built-in settings for upscaling and frame generation caused even more crashing. Ultimately, I had to disable it in-game and turn it on in my driver settings because of the busted-ass engine. This is a problem with the state of gaming, and people like Randy, Tim and their supporters are only exacerbating it.

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                                The engine's not the problem. Personally, I have only played a single game on UE5 that had shit performance on my aging PC (I can't even use DLSS), and it's an early access, independently made, survival crafting game. It was never going to perform well or even be finished.

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                                  I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.

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                                  Was going to say... Who is out there buying games way outside their machines' specs? Seems pretty straightforward.

                                  I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn't for nothing.

                                  There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren't using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead. Hell, go back and play BL1. I'm pretty sure that thing runs on a toaster.

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                                    Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.

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                                    At least he didn't punch anyone this time.

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                                      All this stuff sounds like Randy Pitchford building out his personal brand.

                                      I wish anything involving Pitchford was not reported on (at all).

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                                        Was going to say... Who is out there buying games way outside their machines' specs? Seems pretty straightforward.

                                        I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn't for nothing.

                                        There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren't using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead. Hell, go back and play BL1. I'm pretty sure that thing runs on a toaster.

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                                        This game goes into the twenties on a freaking 4070 at 1440 on high settings and doesn't even get 60 at medium settings

                                        Now let's take a look at the "recommended specs" Randy put out there

                                        NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT / Intel Arc B580

                                        Sorry but when in the world is that even remotely acceptable that you consider last Gen was outside machine specs when the developers said sure two generations ago is perfectly fine, which btw, holy crap it's not.

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                                          At least he didn't punch anyone this time.

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                                          True, no physical punches just metaphoric ones to every gamer right in the genitals with his BS yet again.

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