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I read that as 72 days at first and thought something serious was expected soon.

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  • K [email protected]

    Unlikely to get that cold here that everything completely freezes, usually keep enough wood dry to boil a fair bit of water and I can easily go out to get more of necessary.

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    That’s good, then can you read your original comment and see that other people are in other places with other situations? 😌

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      That’s good, then can you read your original comment and see that other people are in other places with other situations? 😌

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      So stockpile so e fuel as well?

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        So stockpile so e fuel as well?

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        Well, not everyone can burn wood, or has a storage place capable of having the 2L of water per person, different people live in different places.

        The 3 days is so the state can come in and help, if you live in a big city center, the requirements are not the same as if you live in a farm.

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          Well, not everyone can burn wood, or has a storage place capable of having the 2L of water per person, different people live in different places.

          The 3 days is so the state can come in and help, if you live in a big city center, the requirements are not the same as if you live in a farm.

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          What stops you burning wood?

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            What stops you burning wood?

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            My roof? It’s hard to burn wood when you don’t have a fireplace. In summer of course we do it outside. But with the density of a city center that means that it’s hard to store enough wood/coal to make meaningful impact on the amount of water you need to boil to cook.

            In winter it would be simply counter productive to go outside and be cold to boil rice.

            It’s simply easier - and safer - to have water for drinking and food for eating.

            Population centers have different needs.

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              My roof? It’s hard to burn wood when you don’t have a fireplace. In summer of course we do it outside. But with the density of a city center that means that it’s hard to store enough wood/coal to make meaningful impact on the amount of water you need to boil to cook.

              In winter it would be simply counter productive to go outside and be cold to boil rice.

              It’s simply easier - and safer - to have water for drinking and food for eating.

              Population centers have different needs.

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              It doesn't take that long, just go outside to start it, optionally go back in while its heating up.

              Or if that really bothers you so much, gas camping stove?

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                It doesn't take that long, just go outside to start it, optionally go back in while its heating up.

                Or if that really bothers you so much, gas camping stove?

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                I, myself am prepared to do it in winter in an apartment.

                My discussion is not on the how, but on how you fail to perceive that not everyone is yourself. Some people are more able, others less, some have a studio apartment, others a farm. Some live paycheck to paycheck others don’t. Some have 6 people in their household others do not 🙂

                One size does not fit all. What is easy for you, might not be for others and vice-versa.

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                  I, myself am prepared to do it in winter in an apartment.

                  My discussion is not on the how, but on how you fail to perceive that not everyone is yourself. Some people are more able, others less, some have a studio apartment, others a farm. Some live paycheck to paycheck others don’t. Some have 6 people in their household others do not 🙂

                  One size does not fit all. What is easy for you, might not be for others and vice-versa.

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                  Are you just looking for an argument? I start by listing things I have stocked up and you just argue over and over with every single point at how that might not work for someone else. I am not someone else. I have lived in a single bedroom before, sure, I might stock up on different things in such a situation. But I don't live there anymore and storing rainwater outside is trivially easy for me here.

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                    I read that as 72 days at first and thought something serious was expected soon. Oh, 72 HOURS. Who doesn't have that?

                    Also unless you are on the border, how useful is that likely to be? What would the expectation be, only short term supply chain disruption so shops may run out of something in the first few days but after that food supply will adjust to it?

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                    I don't have 72hrs of food at home, because I have almost no self control. 2 days of food can very easily also be one day of food haha

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                      I don't think the preparation is meant for full blown war. It's for disruptions.

                      Russia won't be able drive tanks all over Europe any time soon, but they are capable of cutting cables to attack energy distribution, hacking payment methods and other infrastructure dependent on networks.

                      Remember the start of Covid? There was plenty of toiletpapir, hand sanitizer and test kits for everyone, but nobody could get it in stores for a long time because everyone wanted it at the same time.
                      It's better if everyone stock up over a longer period of time, so it doesn't crash the supply chain when it is needed.

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                      That makes quite a bit of sense as to how it would be useful.

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                        Its not really something I think of because I am going to have easily days worth of food without even having to think about it. Stuff like pasta, rice and flour.

                        11 days not so sure on, if I had just been shopping at the start of the 11 days then easily, but if it was from just before I go shopping then its harder to say. I would most likely be able to ration out what is left to cover 11 days but its going to be pretty basic by the end of it. Like fried rice with salt and pepper kind of thing.

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                        Nope the advice of BBK (Federal office of civil protection and disaster assistance) recommends to have consisted stocks for 11 days including water for drinking, basic hygiene and cooking.

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                          Nope the advice of BBK (Federal office of civil protection and disaster assistance) recommends to have consisted stocks for 11 days including water for drinking, basic hygiene and cooking.

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                          Looks like that would be 6KG of rice for 2 people if done with rice alone. Don't have that much, though with other ingredients typically in the kitchen I would probably be alright. Cooking oil is like 9000kcal for a litre. Fry the rice then would make it go further.

                          Obviously chugging oil alone is unpleasant but you can just add a bit more than normal if you need to internationally increase the kcal of some meals.

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