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Where are the ML to call it genocide?

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    Where are the ML to call it genocide? Eastern genocide is totally fine.

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    This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.

    Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.

    As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.

    You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.

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    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

      This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.

      Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.

      As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.

      You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.

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      Oh look, a tankie leaving out a ton of historical context and claiming there is no genocide in Ukraine. And then trying to claim that Ukraine is the one committing genocide by a narrow definition on this one specific incident. And then ignoring all the times Russian forces have attacked civilian targets. Here, I'll leave this for you to ignore:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_in_Ukraine

      https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

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        Oh look, a tankie leaving out a ton of historical context and claiming there is no genocide in Ukraine. And then trying to claim that Ukraine is the one committing genocide by a narrow definition on this one specific incident. And then ignoring all the times Russian forces have attacked civilian targets. Here, I'll leave this for you to ignore:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_in_Ukraine

        https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

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        Hello mr strawman how are you

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        • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

          Hello mr strawman how are you

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          Hello Mr Buzz Words with no substance, how are you

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          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

            This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.

            Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.

            As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.

            You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.

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            Nobody wants your tankie bullshit.

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            • ? Guest

              Hello Mr Buzz Words with no substance, how are you

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              Consider reading my top comment again and do it slowly. Then feel very ashamed of yourself for being illiterate.

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                Nobody wants your tankie bullshit.

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                Nobody wants your tankie bullshit. Stop saying Israel is not committing genocide and Russia has the right to annex Ukraine

                See what I did there?

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                  Consider reading my top comment again and do it slowly. Then feel very ashamed of yourself for being illiterate.

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                  I read and dismissed it. Pretty easy when evidence contradicts you.

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                    I read and dismissed it. Pretty easy when evidence contradicts you.

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                    Wow so you deny the genocide in Gaza.

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                    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

                      Wow so you deny the genocide in Gaza.

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                      It appears the other poster is not the illiterate one.

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                      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

                        Wow so you deny the genocide in Gaza.

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                        Jesus Christ, that was your takeaway? If you actually read the links I posted, you'll see that Russia/Soviet Union imperialists have been doing the exact same thing to Ukraine that Israeli Zionists are doing to Palestine. Both are genocidal, for over a century now.

                        Were you home schooled or something?

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                          Jesus Christ, that was your takeaway? If you actually read the links I posted, you'll see that Russia/Soviet Union imperialists have been doing the exact same thing to Ukraine that Israeli Zionists are doing to Palestine. Both are genocidal, for over a century now.

                          Were you home schooled or something?

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                          Wow straight up genocide denial.

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                            Wow straight up genocide denial.

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                            Huh? Did you really not read what I said? Are you just trolling now because you have nothing left? This is sad. Have the day you deserve. Bye.

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                              Huh? Did you really not read what I said? Are you just trolling now because you have nothing left? This is sad. Have the day you deserve. Bye.

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                              Huh? Did you really not read what I said? Are you just trolling now because you have nothing left? This is sad. Have the day you deserve. Bye.

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                                Oh look, a tankie leaving out a ton of historical context and claiming there is no genocide in Ukraine. And then trying to claim that Ukraine is the one committing genocide by a narrow definition on this one specific incident. And then ignoring all the times Russian forces have attacked civilian targets. Here, I'll leave this for you to ignore:

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_in_Ukraine

                                https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

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                                Nowhere did they say Ukraine is committing genocide. They said Ukraine also executed POW's which is backed up by video evidence.

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                                  Nowhere did they say Ukraine is committing genocide. They said Ukraine also executed POW's which is backed up by video evidence.

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                                  Because they implied it. I'm familiar with how that works, from tankies to conservatives. You should be too.

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                                    Because they implied it. I'm familiar with how that works, from tankies to conservatives. You should be too.

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                                    They did not imply it. They said that executing POW's is not genocide but a war crime. Then they provided a good example showing why it is a war crime and not genocide.

                                    You are imagining them saying something they did not say.

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                                      They did not imply it. They said that executing POW's is not genocide but a war crime. Then they provided a good example showing why it is a war crime and not genocide.

                                      You are imagining them saying something they did not say.

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                                      They definitely implied it by denying Russian genocide, ignoring relevant historical context, and then drawing a false equivalency on the standard of genocide by saying: "If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide."

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                                        They definitely implied it by denying Russian genocide, ignoring relevant historical context, and then drawing a false equivalency on the standard of genocide by saying: "If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide."

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                                        They linked an article about Ukrainians executing POW's. That is a directly applicable comparison to this post.

                                        They mocked you because you are making up things they did not say.

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                                          They linked an article about Ukrainians executing POW's. That is a directly applicable comparison to this post.

                                          They mocked you because you are making up things they did not say.

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                                          Okay. You didn't read the articles I linked and you don't mention or seem to understand why the historical context is relevant and important to that incident.

                                          I don't even think you read that article they linked, because it comes from Russian sources with no independent verification. Most likely it is propaganda. Is it still directly applicable? Am I still the one making stuff up? Keep on defending tankies though.

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