Where are the ML to call it genocide?
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Okay you definitely didn't read them then. In the last section of Genocide in Ukraine:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Love how you ignore the propaganda part of their article while misrepresenting mine. Very cool. I'm going to tag you as "Poor literacy" and move on with my day.
You are in for a massive self-own by using Wikipedia.
Your page says "allegations by organisations". This means there is no consensus of a genocide taking place.
This js what an actual Wikipedia article of a genocide looks like:
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You are in for a massive self-own by using Wikipedia.
Your page says "allegations by organisations". This means there is no consensus of a genocide taking place.
This js what an actual Wikipedia article of a genocide looks like:
"According to a United Nations special committee, Amnesty International, and many other experts and rights organisations, Israel has committed genocide against the Palestinian people during its ongoing invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip as part of the Gaza war.[34][35][36]"
"According to multiple national governments,[17][18][19][20] international organisations,[21][22][23][24] independent experts and media outlets,[25][26][27] Russia and its ally Belarus are committing genocide against the Ukrainian people as part of the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War,"
The very FIRST sentences in the articles. The only self-own here was you by only reading the headlines. Again, very poor literacy. Both are still ongoing and that is how language works.
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This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.
Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.
As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.
You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.
I mean, you're TECHNICALLY correct, but the Russians are on record saying Ukraine and Ukrainians do not exist as a separate people. So it's slightly more genocidy than you make out.
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"According to a United Nations special committee, Amnesty International, and many other experts and rights organisations, Israel has committed genocide against the Palestinian people during its ongoing invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip as part of the Gaza war.[34][35][36]"
"According to multiple national governments,[17][18][19][20] international organisations,[21][22][23][24] independent experts and media outlets,[25][26][27] Russia and its ally Belarus are committing genocide against the Ukrainian people as part of the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War,"
The very FIRST sentences in the articles. The only self-own here was you by only reading the headlines. Again, very poor literacy. Both are still ongoing and that is how language works.
Notice the difference between my sources: independent international bodies and your sources: pro-Ukraine organisations.
Ukraine can ask the UN for an investigation if they believe they have case. But they will not do that and we both know why.
Here is another source proving me right: literally Wikipedia
It’s not close’ - Israel committing genocide concludes Wikipedia ending editorial debate
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This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.
Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.
As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.
You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.
Please ignore the forced disappearance of Ukrainian children, residents of Mariupol discovering that their bombed out homes were being rebuilt for Russian immigrants with no space left for them, the uninvestigated murders of Crimean Tartars, dropping cluster munitions on civilian evacuations, bombing of civilian shelters, bombing of hospitals, and the large scale rape and murder in Bucha
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Huh? Did you really not read what I said? Are you just trolling now because you have nothing left? This is sad. Have the day you deserve. Bye.
Tankies be all for the working man, but the working man doesn't want you 🫣
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Notice the difference between my sources: independent international bodies and your sources: pro-Ukraine organisations.
Ukraine can ask the UN for an investigation if they believe they have case. But they will not do that and we both know why.
Here is another source proving me right: literally Wikipedia
It’s not close’ - Israel committing genocide concludes Wikipedia ending editorial debate
The ICC is currently investigating and has issued arrests already. Not sure what you're talking about, just nonsense. I guess they're pro-Ukraine right? What a handwave away lol. This conversation is becoming a joke, especially since you're still ignoring the propaganda article the other user posted. Literally no comment on it. That source didn't prove you right. It just proved that Wikipedia added Gaza to their list of genocides. Ukraine is currently getting there.
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I mean, you're TECHNICALLY correct, but the Russians are on record saying Ukraine and Ukrainians do not exist as a separate people. So it's slightly more genocidy than you make out.
A state or group and its inhabitants are not the same.
If someone says "Death to Russia", "death to Israel" or "death to ISIS" this does not mean wishing death upon everyone who lives under their rule. It means trying to get rid of the group ruling them.
Russia says Ukrainians do not exist as a separate people and tries to annex their land: war crime.
Israel says Palestinians do not exist (not the state, the people) and that they want kill them all, expell them from their land and put them in a concentration camp: genocide.
This is not a "technicality". This is the crux of what genocide means. It is not a word to be thrown around lightly.
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Oh look, a tankie leaving out a ton of historical context and claiming there is no genocide in Ukraine. And then trying to claim that Ukraine is the one committing genocide by a narrow definition on this one specific incident. And then ignoring all the times Russian forces have attacked civilian targets. Here, I'll leave this for you to ignore:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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Please ignore the forced disappearance of Ukrainian children, residents of Mariupol discovering that their bombed out homes were being rebuilt for Russian immigrants with no space left for them, the uninvestigated murders of Crimean Tartars, dropping cluster munitions on civilian evacuations, bombing of civilian shelters, bombing of hospitals, and the large scale rape and murder in Bucha
Once again: many war crimes. Undeniable. Genocide? Likely not.
Israel is primarily slaughtering civilians. Women and children make up most of their casualties. All hospitals and infrastructure is destroyed
Russia is committing many war crimes but they are nowhere near the level of Israel; trying to wipe out the population.
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Nobody wants your tankie bullshit.
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Once again: many war crimes. Undeniable. Genocide? Likely not.
Israel is primarily slaughtering civilians. Women and children make up most of their casualties. All hospitals and infrastructure is destroyed
Russia is committing many war crimes but they are nowhere near the level of Israel; trying to wipe out the population.
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They linked an article about Ukrainians executing POW's. That is a directly applicable comparison to this post.
They mocked you because you are making up things they did not say.
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The ICC is currently investigating and has issued arrests already. Not sure what you're talking about, just nonsense. I guess they're pro-Ukraine right? What a handwave away lol. This conversation is becoming a joke, especially since you're still ignoring the propaganda article the other user posted. Literally no comment on it. That source didn't prove you right. It just proved that Wikipedia added Gaza to their list of genocides. Ukraine is currently getting there.
Arrests for war crimes not genocide.
Ukraine is currently getting there.
What do you think is taking Wikipedia so long? Ukraine was invaded two years before the genocide in Gaza. Are Wikipedia editors all Tankies?
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Arrests for war crimes not genocide.
Ukraine is currently getting there.
What do you think is taking Wikipedia so long? Ukraine was invaded two years before the genocide in Gaza. Are Wikipedia editors all Tankies?
Do you truly believe Wikipedia is the end all-be all of whether or not a genocide is occurring? Can you not think for yourself?
What do war crimes lead to?
What about the Russian propaganda article you still won't comment on, ya know, the very thing that started this chain?
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Nowhere did they say Ukraine is committing genocide. They said Ukraine also executed POW's which is backed up by video evidence.
Hey, remember how that article is unverified by independent sources and comes directly from Russia? Ya know, propaganda? Hey, that video evidence that you claim is proof, can't Russian soldiers dress up as Ukrainian and then execute people?
Hey, do you have any independent thoughts going on?
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They did not imply it. They said that executing POW's is not genocide but a war crime. Then they provided a good example showing why it is a war crime and not genocide.
You are imagining them saying something they did not say.
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Do you truly believe Wikipedia is the end all-be all of whether or not a genocide is occurring? Can you not think for yourself?
What do war crimes lead to?
What about the Russian propaganda article you still won't comment on, ya know, the very thing that started this chain?
It appears no matter how many facts you are presented with you are unable to face reality and admit you are wrong.
Wikipedia and the UN and Amnesty International are all tankies. Everyone you who disagrees with you is a tankie. Have a very tankie day.
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It appears no matter how many facts you are presented with you are unable to face reality and admit you are wrong.
Wikipedia and the UN and Amnesty International are all tankies. Everyone you who disagrees with you is a tankie. Have a very tankie day.
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This is a war crime, not genocide. If this is your standard for genocide then you should also be saying Ukraine is committing genocide.
Russia is committing many war crimes but their goal is clearly to annex Ukrainian territory and absorb the Ukrainians into Russa. Not the eradication of Ukrainians.
As Zionists loved to point out, before Israel openly started proclaiming their goal is to kill all Palestinians and replace them; genocide requires explicit intent to destroy a population. Not only annex territory.
You cannot call every war crime 'genocide'. It is not a word you can throw around lightly. The difference in Ukraine is that Russia is still primarily killing combatants whereas Israel is killing mostly women and children.
