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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • D [email protected]

    "Theres no fucking gun to your head."
    Bosses: šŸ¦œšŸ¤– šŸŸ°šŸ’¹, šŸ‘Øā€šŸ’¼šŸ”«šŸ¤“

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    Not just bosses. Tech companies have leveraged a good portion of the world's economy on AI, and are shoveling money directly into the ovens to shove it down our throats.

    No one asked for any of this. Not a goddamn soul asked for AI order takers at McDonald's. Because it's not about choice. The choice to abstain is going to get more and more painful to make as time goes on. By design.

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    • jerkface@lemmy.caJ [email protected]

      It's not cool to use "vegan" like this.

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      Got a good chuckle out of me tho

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        The big corporations desperately want AI to be popular because they've thrown literally insane amounts of money at it and still don't know how to monetize it.

        There's going to be a huge push to make it seem like everyone loves it and it's weird not to use it constantly

        It's going to go horribly and come off like that "fellow kids" meme, exactly like this headline

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        MBA dweebs running VC firms wanna desperately replace people with AI for short term profits.

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          today I was trying to find how to manipulate a trunk on an aruba switch and JFK the internet search results were fucking shit on a platter! I tried to reword it in ways that might give me a better result but it never happened. None of the commands the AI suggested would have worked.

          I FUCKING HATE AI results in the web searching tools

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            It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading ā€œMeet the AI vegans.ā€

            Whole new level.

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            #104

            Seems to me youā€˜re a BS vegan.

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            • myopinion@lemmy.todayM [email protected]

              I try not to use AI at all. I am not missing out on anything.

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              I hate this attitude from people who don’t even try things before saying they are not missing out. Try AI! You have to experience the head bashing, head scratching time sink, after which you do a manual search anyways. It is a marvellous wonder how bad modern "cutting edge" tech can be.

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                today I was trying to find how to manipulate a trunk on an aruba switch and JFK the internet search results were fucking shit on a platter! I tried to reword it in ways that might give me a better result but it never happened. None of the commands the AI suggested would have worked.

                I FUCKING HATE AI results in the web searching tools

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                HEre's a tip, paste the chapter index from the manual in it, ask "which chapter are relevant to " $question
                Then paste the chapter it asks, then formulate your question
                The AI search result though, useless because they're contextless, it's like a car without a steering wheel.

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                  I prefer Neo-Luddite. There's a few aspects of modern tech I eschew - AI/LLM bring one of them.

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                  • rhythmisaprancer@piefed.socialR [email protected]

                    freegan

                    If they had come up with something original like that, it would have been better. But creating constructive neologisms takes work, I guess.

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                    #108

                    Try if one of the following strikes your fancy

                    AIniks
                    NoBots
                    Cogclean
                    Algorejects
                    Synthephobes

                    I quite like synthephobes !

                    Synthless
                    Cogstainers
                    Analogians

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                      Try if one of the following strikes your fancy

                      AIniks
                      NoBots
                      Cogclean
                      Algorejects
                      Synthephobes

                      I quite like synthephobes !

                      Synthless
                      Cogstainers
                      Analogians

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                      I'm not sure if AInik works, wouldn't that mean they are a fan of AI? Also unsure of the synth- options as a friend of synthesizer musicians, but as a non musician maybe I should use that myself šŸ¤” I can't interpret analogian without help...

                      But the others sound pretty great! Cogstainers is awesome because it can be reworked into different word types. Verbs, adjectives. Incredible.

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                        I'm not sure if AInik works, wouldn't that mean they are a fan of AI? Also unsure of the synth- options as a friend of synthesizer musicians, but as a non musician maybe I should use that myself šŸ¤” I can't interpret analogian without help...

                        But the others sound pretty great! Cogstainers is awesome because it can be reworked into different word types. Verbs, adjectives. Incredible.

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                        AIniks, it's something like refusenik, chainik and beatnikm yeah I'm not sure if it's anti, or pro or something else, it's also hard to say

                        I think analogian just sounds like vegan and it's for people who prefer analog meatbased wetware.

                        Synth- as in synthetic, against synthetic fakeness

                        A cogstaining synthless analogian

                        Synthfree ?

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                          This is such a stupid name for this.

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                            If anyone says the words "AI Vegan" to my face, I'm throwing shit.

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                            Make sure to wash your hands after.

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                              On my list of "dont's", inspired by Luke Smith, I do not use AI.

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                                I applaud folks like this - they make a choice and stick with it. No "I'll never use AI to generate art but I vibe code to save time" hypocrisy. No "I use it to help me with maths, but I'd never use it to steal artistic work".

                                Just straight up "it is an environmental hazard, it is unethical, not engaging". Should be called "AI Ethicists" rather than "AI Vegans".

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                                  I can't say I'm a (normal) vegan, but I'm definitely an AI vegan. I was turned off by the ethical considerations, and the few "bites" I have tried leave a bad taste in my mouth. I avoid using it because much of the training data was (and is) stolen, the power costs are far too high compared to the utility, and it's basically worthless to me, having a screwed up response to nearly every prompt I tried.

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                                  Exactly the same as me.

                                  Love me a good steak, never even tried AI.

                                  I've stood by while my colleagues have used it. I ask them a question they might know, just to check before I start spending time reading documentation. They'll go "just ask Bing!" (Company endorsed AI.)

                                  They'll keep prompting and prompting and discussing the results, meanwhile I just go directly to the docs and find the information right there written on the screen.

                                  I won't subject myself to the dumbification. I don't even use copilot to auto-complete as much as a for loop. I know how it's written, damnit.

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                                  • O [email protected]

                                    I installed it locally on my computer to help me with resolving some coding issues if I’m stuck, write cover letters for jobs, and help me organize ppt decks. No information is shared, I’m only using local computing resources, and I’m not propping up a failing business model.

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                                    What model and UI are you using?

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                                      I think some AI use is clearly worth the costs (like helping with scientific research or accessibility), some clearly isn't (like generating spam), and much falls in a gray area where reasonable people can disagree.
                                      So do I think it's ethical to use me? In many cases, yes - but I understand why thoughtful people might conclude otherwise, and I don't think they're wrong to avoid AI if they've weighed the considerations and found the costs too high.

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                                        I applaud folks like this - they make a choice and stick with it. No "I'll never use AI to generate art but I vibe code to save time" hypocrisy. No "I use it to help me with maths, but I'd never use it to steal artistic work".

                                        Just straight up "it is an environmental hazard, it is unethical, not engaging". Should be called "AI Ethicists" rather than "AI Vegans".

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                                        Starting it with "AI" is already misleading. Whatever the noun is should be preceded by "Anti-AI."

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                                          I selective use AI for low risk applications.

                                          I can use it to reskin a picture to a water painting or whatever for the purpose of using it as an icon in a smart home app or similar.

                                          i also use it to clean audio for memes with friends.

                                          At the moment its not reliable to solve actual problems. I simply don't use to for those purposes because it sucks.

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